veritas

[Witty]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

ITP: WITTY STATES THAT OTHER EVOLUTIONERS CONTRADICT HIS UNDERSTANDING OF EVOLUTION.

It's not my understanding lol it is the Theory of Evolution.

You should educate yourself.

[Destroyer]

it's not a theory, it's a fact

[Witty]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

DOES NOT KNOW WHERE FIRST ANCESTOR CAME FROM. KNOWS IT IS NOT A MONKEY, KNOWS THAT GOD DID NOT MAKE IT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS YOUR HONOR.

NEXT?

No scientist has ever said it was a monkey lol fuck u talking about bro?

I dunno that God doesn't exist...I just have not seen any proof and have no reason to believe that he does...give me a reason...show me he exists, give me your proof.

You are failing very bad right now Veritas.

[Destroyer]

upping

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

it's not a theory, it's a fact

Our understanding of the word theory and the scientific meaning of the word theory are not the same.

Gravity is a theory too.

[Destroyer]

yes I suppose all things that haven't been proven false are theories technically
but they are also facts, IMO

[Witty]

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. As with most (if not all) forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive power and explanatory force.

The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, and to its elegance and simplicity (Occam's razor). As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be rejected or modified if it does not fit the new empirical findings- in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then desired. In certain cases, the less-accurate unmodified scientific theory can still be treated as a theory if it is useful (due to its sheer simplicity) as an approximation under specific conditions (e.g. Newton's laws of motion as an approximation to special relativity at velocities which are small relative to the speed of light).

Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions. They describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry (e.g. electricity, chemistry, astronomy). Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the common usage of the word "theory", which implies that something is a guess (i.e., unsubstantiated and speculative)."
@The Mind Assassin provide me with evidence of God that has gone through this process and I will take you seriously.

Otherwise, stop wasting my time pls.

[Destroyer]

all I read was "veritas is dumb as fuck"

[veritas]

witty: I will be gentle:


you have never seen any proof of God, but you choose to believe in evolution, the same of which you have never seen any proof. you are not winning. trust me.

you yourself stated that you do not know where man came from. YOU SAID THAT. but you know that it aint God right>? lol.

shout out to destro.

[Destroyer]

dog breeding shows proof of evolution brah

[millz]

Veritas believes that a lack of evidence is the evidence that god exists. But condemns a theory for a lack of evidence.



Circular logic is circular.

[veritas]

science:

you are talking to a behavioral scientist. I have conducted research. I understand it...better than you, trust.

I know 2 things: the hawthorne effect, and correlation does not equal causation.

mull that over.

the truth is you have no idea of what you are talking about.


EITHER GOD MADE US OR WE EVOLVED IS THE ONLY OPTIONS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR OUR EXISTENCE. UNLESS YOU CAN PROVIDE ME WITH A THIRD ONE.

ALL EVOLUTIONISTS WILL EVENTUALLY ADMIT, THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM.

RICHARD DAWKINS SAID ALIENS SEEDED OUR PLANET....WELL WHERE DID THE ALIENS COME FROM>

CANT BE GOD.

ROIJEKOJLK;ADJK;LFJKLJADKJFKLJDKLJFADSKLJLFKADJK;L FJ

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

dog breeding shows proof of evolution brah

THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.


MY GOD....NONE OF THESE ENLIGHTENED SOULS ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT

MWHAHAHAHAHHAA....

JESUS: THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. ACCEPT THIS FACT AND LIVE.

JESUS DIED FOR US. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE.

[Destroyer]

they came from bacteria brah
hey, where did god come from bro?

[Destroyer]

The word 'evolution' just means *change to the genetics of a population over time*. So dog breeding is absolutely an example of evolution in action.

More specifically, it is the act of humans *manipulating* evolution by controlling the reproductive environment.

So if one were to design a *scientific experiment* to test the theory of evolution by natural selection, it would look like this:
1. Pick a species and divide it up into separated populations.
2. Subject each sub-population to different selective pressures. I.e. pick certain traits that determine which individuals get to reproduce more.
3. Allow this to continue for many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is false ... then there would be no visible changes to the population even over many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is true ... then the different populations will show noticeable differences in their physical traits ... traits that continue to be passed on through inheritance.

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People who reply that "a dog is still a dog" are MISSING THE POINT!

Dog breeding demonstrates conclusively that genetics can change *dramatically* in even a tiny amount of geologic time, if there is a strong enough selective pressure.

That IS evolution, as defined by the people (i.e. scientists) who support it.

It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!

So dog breeding demonstrates EVOLUTION IN ACTION ... as the word 'evolution' is defined by those who accept it as a fundamental principle of biology.

Dog breeding is an *EXPERIMENT* that confirms the basic principles of the theory.

It demonstrates conclusively that even a short amount of time can produce a significant amount of evolution *if the selective pressure is strong enough*.

So this explains why HUGE amounts of time can produce HUGE amounts of evolution ... if there is *selection*!

Dog breeding explains why this *can* happen. But that is not the only evidence that it *has* happened. That is where all the other evidence (fossils, DNA, proteins, genes, embyology, morphology, biogeography, etc. etc.) comes into play.


People who oppose evolution can't just separate *cause* from *effect*, by fiat.

Selection is the cause. Evolution is the effect. You can't just declare by fiat that X amount of evolution is a reasonable effect, but 2X or 100X amount of evolution is not.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by millz

Veritas believes that a lack of evidence is the evidence that god exists. But condemns a theory for a lack of evidence.



Circular logic is circular.

WRONG AGAIN.

YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE THREAD BECAUSE THE OTHER EVOLUTIONIST WITTY SAID THAT YOU WERE WRONG AND I DON'T WANT YALL TO ARUGE ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT.

I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE ONLY GIVEN 2 CHOICES: GOD OR EVOLUTION. AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY I USE TO BELIEVE MY BELIEFS AND MAKE FUN OF....YOU DO THE SAME THING.

THE KILL IS THAT NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW, WHERE, WHEN, AND WHY, ANY OF THIS LIFE CAME TO BE....BUT IT CAN'T BE GOD!@@@@

RIOJAEOIJK;LAFJK;LGJK;LAJRLKGJKLRJK;GLA.

AGENDA2014

[Witty]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

witty: I will be gentle:


you have never seen any proof of God, but you choose to believe in evolution, the same of which you have never seen any proof. you are not winning. trust me.

you yourself stated that you do not know where man came from. YOU SAID THAT. but you know that it aint God right>? lol.

shout out to destro.

I have seen proof of evolution....what do you think fossils are lmao

I stated I do not know the common ancestor between humans and other great apes, I have seen plenty of evidence that we evolved from apes tho, the fossil records, there are literally thousands, the fact that we share DNA and so many traits that are not found in any creatures other than great apes...evolution is fact, it happens. I don't know that some sort of super natural power didn't put all of this in to motion, but I have seen no evidence to suggest it did so why would I take it seriously? I do KNOW that an interventionist God such as the one you suscribe to does not exist, because the books that were written about him have been proven to be scientifically baseless...they are fairy tales, you believe in children's stories and myths.

Basically....I could say Harry Potter created the universe and I would have as much 'evidence' to show for that belief as you do for your belief in God...a book, nothing more.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

they came from bacteria brah
hey, where did god come from bro?

WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?

[Witty]

Veritas jimmies getting mad rustled yo lmao

TYPE BIGGER BRO, MAYBE THEN PEOPLE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?

from space brah