I called Veritas.

[namix]

Originally Posted by Objective

Edit: HOLY MOTHERFUCKER, THIS POST IS TOO LONG. I MUST SLOW DOWN. THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH. I BROKE MY RECORD OF LONGEST TL;DR. Apologies, I understand it if no-one reads this crap. But yeah, this is how my brain works, this is basicly just the start of 5-15 minutes of trying to sleep, it's just that I wrote small bit of it down for you guys.

I read it yo.

you're at the brink dude - at least it was for me.

trace all your separate points, and your depression, back to the polarity of existence.

Remember - when they built that city, they were dreaming lucidly 3 levels deep. When I first began lucid dreaming consistently, a natural progression is "dreaming within a dream", because it's how your subconscious counters your conscious awareness of it. My dreams became more aligned to my waking state. I'd wake up in a dream in the same bed I fell asleep in. So I countered it by "looking for a sock on the floor" and shit before I fell asleep, only to learn the truth that it's not the way to battle the subconscious - it's always aware of your conscious.

Point being - if what you're saying is honest, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, you're on the brink. That brink can end really awesome or really poorly...

so figure out polarity, and other than that, shit..

I'd defer to someone like V who does it for a living.... i'm just a dude living the thought your conceiving.

[namix]

Originally Posted by Nigma

@namix over this last year I've become increasingly better at becoming lucid, still practicing the wake induced method to limited success, however I've also been looking more into astral projection, have you attempted this or know much about it?

word man. let it come naturally. hard to float when you're chasing it. not only hard, but dangerous.

I believe the good get where they're going - that place or the next - when it makes sense.

In my experience, we are already there, most just aren't listening with the right ears. It's better to learn how to listen than to project - you get all of the good, and none of the deceit.

I also believe that the concept is being introduced so people who arent ready learn the hard way -- or maybe it's just my 'bad fortune'. I believe people are being spiritually manipulated -- and given a taste of truth with a chaser of deceit.

Eitherway bro --- the WILD is the same as sleep-induced lucid dreaming --- it's just a frame of mind. Your brain waves. Become an Alpha - all of us already have the propensity to do so.

The plane though, i know it's the minority opinion, but I take what I need from it after it's filtered through an LD or my intuition --- me going there just opens up the hatch doors to unnecessary rabbit holes.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by namix

word man. let it come naturally. hard to float when you're chasing it. not only hard, but dangerous.

I believe the good get where they're going - that place or the next - when it makes sense.

In my experience, we are already there, most just aren't listening with the right ears. It's better to learn how to listen than to project - you get all of the good, and none of the deceit.

I also believe that the concept is being introduced so people who arent ready learn the hard way -- or maybe it's just my 'bad fortune'. I believe people are being spiritually manipulated -- and given a taste of truth with a chaser of deceit.

Eitherway bro --- the WILD is the same as sleep-induced lucid dreaming --- it's just a frame of mind. Your brain waves. Become an Alpha - all of us already have the propensity to do so.

The plane though, i know it's the minority opinion, but I take what I need from it after it's filtered through an LD or my intuition --- me going there just opens up the hatch doors to unnecessary rabbit holes.

You're like....Jesus, or some shit.

[veritas]

ok objective...time to be real brother.

1. I do not believe that you have exhausted all your options. Rule one: rule out medical. Rule two: rule out substance abuse

there are sleep doctors you could go to, and if you pushed in the right direction could get your hormones checked, maybe a comp metab pnl, or a cdc w/ auto diff.....but you have not.

2. therapy wise: If you were my patient, for real, I would suggest that you literally exhaust yourself each day, mentally, physically, and spiritually.....REALLY LIVE LIFE! you laying around with no energy is only going to perpetuate that. an object at rest tends to?

the point is that you may not admit it, but, your life, or lack thereof is causing your subcon pain. a 24 year old should be out making his way in the world....figuring it out, figuring himself out, chicks, etc.....I aint trying to dog you, just trying to encourage and motivate.

3. I have worked with dsythmia and guess what? you might not like me saying this, but it is true.....compared to other illnesses it is mild. people can get over it very easily......the right meds, in conjunction with therapy.


4. I have learned, and you will have to excuse me, but it is true: "what you absolutely will not tolerate, you will never have to." point is...you are in a funk, and keeping yourself in it. you say you have no options, i say bullshit. you say you have told me all your thought processes, i say bullshit, something is gnawing at you and producing anxiety.

5. you NEED. TO. SLEEP. CONSISTENTLY.



If i was your therapist i would work with you in these things, I would also see that you had a mixture of mild antidepressants and sleep aids. I would withold alcohol or any negative social influences, and do all i could to make you literally exhausted each day trying to intrinsically motivate yourself to find your purpose, your passion, and fulfill your destiny.


holler.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by namix

I read it yo.

you're at the brink dude - at least it was for me.

trace all your separate points, and your depression, back to the polarity of existence.

Remember - when they built that city, they were dreaming lucidly 3 levels deep. When I first began lucid dreaming consistently, a natural progression is "dreaming within a dream", because it's how your subconscious counters your conscious awareness of it. My dreams became more aligned to my waking state. I'd wake up in a dream in the same bed I fell asleep in. So I countered it by "looking for a sock on the floor" and shit before I fell asleep, only to learn the truth that it's not the way to battle the subconscious - it's always aware of your conscious.

Point being - if what you're saying is honest, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, you're on the brink. That brink can end really awesome or really poorly...

so figure out polarity, and other than that, shit..

I'd defer to someone like V who does it for a living.... i'm just a dude living the thought your conceiving.

the portal is not to trans versed without many things first occurring.

[Objective]

@c.d.m.: Word, I don't mind you saying that it is a mild mental disorder, because it truly is. I'm just happy that I aint suicidal and that I'm out of the moderate-heavy depression that I was in a few years ago. It's as true as it gets, but it's still exhausting to be pessimistic, unmotivated and not giving a fuck tho'. Perhaps saying that I have no options is wrong, it's just that I didn't think about my options (now I do). I guess the first thing I'm going to try is exhaust myself. I'll start with today. Already tired as fuck but I'll call someone and get my ass out the door. I'm going to check out the sleep doctors thing and see where I can take those tests you speak of. One thing at a time tho', don't want to rush things. I'll start with forcing myself to get out more even if I don't really feel like it. When I get used to that, I'll get back to working out in a gym again. Been slacking in that department.

The only thing I don't understand is why I should quit alcohol? It's not like I'm addicted to it or anything, and it's not something I do every weekend like a lot of my friends do. I don't think I'd be able to quit it 100%, it is one of the things that keep me social with a lot of people instead of hanging out with a small group. And let's be honest here, you're mentioning chicks, the best places to get to know them is at parties and/or while drunk. It's also the main thing for me to get to know new people as I don't care to talk to them unless I'm drunk. Finding a girlfriend is perhaps the next step, but yo, being in a relationship is tiring as fuck. I'd rather just keep with the one night stands for now. Can't be bothered with a bitch hanging out in my crib all the time, or be pissed off at me when the summer comes along and I'd rather go out skating instead of being with her. (I know this from experience.) Nah man, I love being single.

@namix: Word about what you said that lucid dreaming can be dangerous as well. It doesn't end up happening when I'm awake, alltho' I have started ''dreaming/hallucinating'' after being awake for 50+ hours, sleep deprivation is one hell of a drug, haha. I know I'm not dreaming if I can't change my surroundings, that's my way of finding out if I'm dreaming or not.

[veritas]

Chick is optional, sleep is not.

Alcohol messes up the sleep and antidepressants

[Objective]

@c.d.m.: My old therapist said tho'; It takes 2-3 weeks to mess up/fixing a sleeping pattern, just make sure that you either 1. Wake up at a designated time, if you get home at 4.AM and sleep, make sure you wake up at 8.AM as usual and go to bed at midnight or do an all-nighter. (I need app. 8 hours of sleep every night. When we made my sleeping schedule I tried going to sleep at midnight and wake up at 8 for some time (2-3 months), but I never managed to do so and gave up.)

And; If you absolutely got to drink; Take medication in the morning, skip it at night and then again at night the next day. That way it wont fuck up the anti-deps. Was he wrong by saying this shit?

And word @ sleeping meds, but I don't know if I'm up for anti-depressants again. That shit is scary as fuck. It's SERIOUSLY SCARY SHIT.

[zygote]

Do not use the laptop or mobile phone/mini computer IPOD from your sleeping area. Here is what helped me, realizing 8 hours is too long for sleeping. I found that 4-5 hours is optimal, try it for a few days you may be surprised at the results. Wake early in the day and use extra time for some personal project or work project, it is very peaceful leaving feelings of refreshment.

[Objective]

@zygote: I appreciate your reply but you'd have to read more to understand what I'm dealing with. I know about laptops/smartphones not being the essential thing to have around because the light fools your brain to believe it's daytime. I can't calm down when I'm trying to sleep, I get energetic when nothing happens due to thought processes etc. so lying down (or simple activities such as reading a book etc.) ends up having the opposite effect. Sleep is also extremely individual, what works for you (4-5 hours) might not be enough for me (8 hours), some people even need 10 hours.

And seeing how I can't sleep for 30-40 hours every now and then, trying out your formula is impossible (atm) to begin with.

[zygote]

"The light fools your brain to believe it's daytime" - The main concern is not that it's tricking the brain into thinking it is day time, the main concern is the process of association. Psychologist on here like CDM or deadman can explain it better, but basically by doing those activities and being restless in the sleeping area, the brain is associating 'staying awake' with the sleeping area.

[Chyeahhh!!!]

best writing and researching time are those sleepless nights for me. If sleep is the cousin of death, I cheat death most nights of the week :)

[veritas]

The problem here is mental illness...the Brain needs healing, and sleep is the brain's best friend. So to cure objectives dsythmia, sleep (consistent) is the key

[Frank]

Objective. You have time on your hands. Now go vote on every battle in the Topical league. Be productive. When you have completed todays task, I will have Veritas subscribe you horse tranquilizer, so you can take a nice long nap.

[Ghost1]

subscribe? lol

[Frank]

dont watch me - watch tv

wasup bags?

[Ghost1]

watch ur tone.

[super pimp trillionaire]

Watch the throne

[Frank]

Word son.

Check that battle with your boy pent up.

Everything comes around full circle. Believe dat.

[God Of War]

Originally Posted by Frank

Objective. You have time on your hands. Now go vote on every battle in the Topical league. Be productive. When you have completed todays task, I will have Veritas subscribe you horse tranquilizer, so you can take a nice long nap.

lmao after reading every post in here this has entertained me the most