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Old 07-03-2013, 08:51 AM   #81
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Not to mention the 144000. Smh.

Paul was taljing to the church dude. He saidnwe we not appointed to wrath. What wrath was he talking about? The bible says that some shall not sleep meaning die....who is not going to die? Finally it says that someone has to be removed so that the antichrist can come....who is it?

I am asking simple question while your walls of text act like pauls letters aint in the bible. And that the day of the lord is at the first trumpet judgement.

Here is the truth. This rabbi has indoctrinated you amd you are strongly deluded. You are now pushing an agenda at the expense of the trith of GODs Word.
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you right, I'll stop posting the wall of texts (I hope you read them though) and talk plain.

the 144,000 are out the tribe of Israel, 12,000 out each 12 tribe. 12x12 = 144 (Rev 7:4-5)

if your fore fathers are not from these tribes, and your seed not from them, then this does not apply to you, or me.

but, Rev 7:9 speaks of you and me and all the nations.

the wrath he talking about is escaping the wrath of the plagues, making it to the wilderness of safety, while it goes down to some degree....and of course making it into the kingdom.

Read Matthew 24:29 and it matches exactly with Rev 6:12

read rev 21...it speaks of the kingdom coming down from heaven.
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Lol so a rapture is in the scriptures just of the 144000 then right?
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ha, no...why you say that ? (there is no rapture.)

do you know why these 144 are called out ? I do...I want to see if you do
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Dude.....one minute they are on earth then the bible says they are up in heaven. Never said they died.


So who does not die?
Also since u agree that the wrath we are not appointed to is the tribulation period.....where are the people who are not appointed to it if there is no rapture?

Lastly who has to be taken out before the antichrist can come?
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I speak plain for two post and you get an attitude....I may go back to being smart here again...lol I'm just joking man.

Lastly who has to be taken out before the antichrist can come?

I have asked you two times already to expound on this question so I may understand it and answer you....can ya ?


where are the people who are not appointed to it if there is no rapture?

Two witness will go out form the great city...The prophets speak of this and does revelation. They will be a witness against them. Some will humble down and obey YAH some will not...

The people who have the seal of the book called life are going to be taken to the wilderness a second time (the first was Egypt)...the prophets clearly spoke on this, so does revelation...the people not appointed to the wrath of the trumpets sounds, signifying the plagues after the seals be opened (they are opening now slowly) will be seal in the wilderness, re-learning the Way...so we all be on one accord.

If you me, and whom ever are found worthy to be in the kingdom, it is us who will rule the earth during the clean up....to prepare the way for when the Father dwells among us. Yahshua get's his Father Dawids throne. David was not his father, but genetically YAH put his seed in the womb of Mary...

Here is a verse realery taught to you, among many many other things....

Luke 1 30:33
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with Elohim (God).

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name YAHSHUA.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and Yah Elohim shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.



we are waiting for this to happen......The House of Yacob is the children of Ysrael...they are the chruch...you can be Israel if you obey too. the kingdom is on earth.
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Please answer the questions
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I will expound uoon the first question when I get to the office.
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thanks...Tbh, I don't know what you mean...nothing tricky or sly up my sleeve. i'm interested in what you have to say...

I answered the questions. YAH will delver us a second time to the wilderness....(Israel) as it is written in scripture...it will surly come to pass. I'm working on a simple study for you.
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dude i do not doubt that he will prepare a place for isreal in the land of edom and moab...

BUT THAT AINT WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT!
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i wish to go into the wilderness with the bride of Christ and be nourished for a time
i would like to be ministered to by Jesus
taught the truth, then come back and declare it unto the people..
we are like little children nourished up on serpent milk, fed nothing but lies since birth
they say we have a convent with death that can't be broken and all roads lead to it
but there are rumors of another covenant, one with life, what do i have to do to live here?
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my brother, you asked me what will happen to those who be found in the book of life if there be no rapture...I told you.

Please give me your full attention and do not respond until you have read prayerfully with comprehension.

Remember if you are seeking the Creator you are my brother...let's treat each other as such and sharpen one another.


Here is a simple study on the wilderness to come, to escape the wrath. We are not going to christian heaven in outer space. That is a lie of the devil, the father of all lies.

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For those who are unfamiliar with the Rapture Doctrine, I will briefly explain.

The Great Tribulation is the 3½-year period during which time the man of sin will reign over the sons of Adam. Scripture says it will be the worst time in the history of man, that major trouble and chaos will take place on Earth. Christians believe they will not endure this because their god Jesus will rapture them to heaven, rescuing them from all the chaos on Earth and protecting them from the Anti-Messiah. Our lesson will show that is a false teaching.

Let us revisit those Scriptures that speak about the war and what the wilderness is.

(NOTE: For purposes of this lesson, "Israel" here includes the physical seed along with the redeemed Gentiles who will join themselves unto Israel and become Israelites. (EZEKIEL 47:20-23))

Lets start in the Book of Revelation chapter 12:

Revelation 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
(The Man-child is Yahoshua the Messiah; the woman represents the nation of Israel.)


14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of YAH, and have the testimony of Yahshuah Messiah.


In verse 14 we see mention of the wilderness. It is described as being a place of nourishment for those Israelites who escape Satan’s wrath against them. The wilderness will be the place of safety for Israel during the great tribulation. After Satan is cast to the Earth realm forever (Satan is still in heaven, he is not in some place called "hell"), he will come to earth and persecute Israel; this will be the beginning of his war against us. Yah will take Israel into the wilderness and protect us from Satan’s wrath. Notice it does not say anything about flying into heaven; it says Israel shall be nourished in this wilderness. The book of Isaiah tells us what this nourishment will be. Let us go to Isaiah (YisaYah) 35:

35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

He says the wilderness shall be glad for them, "them" being those who have escaped Satan’s war and fled into the wilderness. This is the same wilderness and same time period mention in Revelation 12:

2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the power of Yah, and the excellency of our Mighty One.

3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.

4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your Mighty One will come with vengeance, even Yah with a recompense; he will come and save you.
They have a fearful heart because they have escaped Satan, but YisaYah (Isaiah) mentions that Yah will come with vengeance and will save those in the wilderness. This is speaking about the time following the great tribulation when the Messiah Yahoshua returns to regather Israel and pay back the world for all its wickedness.


5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
We know the wilderness will be in the desert, and streams of water will break out and the people will rejoice. Take note of the description of the wilderness; a greater understanding of this is still to be had.

7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
YisaYah just told us what the nourishment mentioned in Rev. 12 shall be: There will be water and vegetation in the midst of the wilderness. The people will be rejoicing, not starving or dying of thirst. Yah will provide for our people.

10 And the ransomed of Yah shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.


"The Ransomed of Yah." HalleluYah! It says we shall come into Zion with songs and everlasting joy. After we leave the wilderness, we will come into the land of Israel, which means Yahoshua has returned and led us to victory.

Doesn’t that sound familiar? We escape the wrath of the enemy; Yah brings us into the wilderness and nourishes us; and then He leads us into the land of Israel. Oh, yes, this has happen before – our return to the land of Promise will be very similar to our exodus from Egypt. Yah is great.

In Deuteronomy 28:68 Yah says He will send us back into Egypt this time in ships. We understand this is speaking about the transatlantic slave trade, when Israel as a people were transported to the west and other countries just as prophecy said. By going into Egypt again, Yah will bring us out of Egypt again in the same fashion.

Deuteronomy 28:68 And Yah shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Just as He led our people out of Egypt and into the wilderness to save them from the wrath of the enemy, He will lead us and save us this time around.

In our exodus from Egypt, Yah sent his two witnesses to Pharaoh (Aaron and Moses). Likewise, He will send two witnesses to the man of sin (Rev 11). Now get this Israel entered the land as a conquering army under a General by the name of Yahoshua. Israel will re-enter the land as an army under another Israelite by the Name of Yahoshua. HALLEUYAH!

Another aspect about the wilderness that we need to understand is that Yah will NOT ONLY USE THE WILDERNESS AS A PLACE OF SAFETY FOR ISRAEL, BUT HE WILL ALSO use the wilderness to cleanse Israel. He did this when our people were in the wilderness the first time, and He will do it again. No sinner will enter the land of Israel; they will all die in the wilderness. Let’s go to the book of Ezekiel (Yahzeqyl) 20, where we get more info about the wilderness.

Ezekiel 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

Once again we see Israel will be in the wilderness with Yah, He said He would plead with us face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith Yah.

HalleluYah. Yah, Himself, is making the comparison of us in the wilderness with the wilderness our fathers’ experience. He said He will plead with us just as He did with them.

37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am YAH.

Yah will bring us into the bond of the covenant. Remember YisaYah (Isaiah) said Israel will be joyful during this time. He also said in verse 8 of Chapter 35:

8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

The unclean, or the unbelievers – those who will murmur against Yah – will die in the wilderness, just as our fathers did.

The wilderness, Brothers and Sisters, is the place of safety for Israel during the 3½-year rule and war of Satan against Israel. No man will be taken into heaven to be protected; the protection will take place on Earth in the wilderness.

Those of you who know me personally and those who have read my articles are likely aware that The Matrix is my all-time favorite movie. So I must make mention that the concept of the wilderness was in the movie The Matrix. The people of the underground city called "Zion" were the people of the wilderness. They were in the place of refuge. It was no coincidence that the place of safety was called "ZION" or that the majority of its residents were "Black" (Israelite) people. As in The Matrix, there were some who were not in the wilderness, or place of safety. They were left behind to teach, or "unplug" the rest of the sons of Adam. Not all Israel will make it into the wilderness. Some will be "left behind" to teach and free the minds of those caught up in the satanic system. Lets go back to the Book of Revelation Chapter 12 verse 17:

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And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of YAH, and have the testimony of Yahshuah Messiah.

(Remember that "the woman" in Revelation 12 represents the true Hebrew Nation of Israel.) After Yah has brought the majority of Israel into the wilderness and Satan cannot touch them, he will become irate and will make war with the remnant of Israel that does not make the wilderness. However, notice this that he will make war with the ones who keep the commandments of Yah and have the testimony of Yahoshua the Messiah. These people are the ones we call and know to be "Messianic Hebrew-Israelites" – you and me. Those who know to keep Torah (instructions/laws) and know Yahoshua is Messiah are those who "have the testimony of Yahoshua." The word "testimony" is 3141 in Strong’s concordance, it’s the Greek word mar-too-ree-ah and means ‘EVIDENCE GIVEN; A WITNESS. The testimony of Yahoshua is those who will testify in the face of the adversary that YAHOSHUA IS HAMOSHEAKH (The Messiah). These will experience Satan’s wrath. The book of Daniel (Dani’yl) gives us more details about this period:

11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their Mighty One shall be strong, and do exploits.


33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.


34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

This group of those left behind to instruct was represented in The Matrix in the characters of Morpheus, Neo, Trinity, Tank, Dosier, etc.

The wilderness is a real place (not a condition or a state of mind) Yah has preserved for our safety during the time of tribulation. In the wilderness we will be cleansed, just as our forefathers were cleansed in the wilderness of Egypt.

Revelation 12:17 and Daniel 11:32-35 are speaking about the same period.

Satan will make war with those who do not make it to the wilderness, angry because he cannot get to the ones in the wilderness.

Scripture does not state the exact location of the wilderness; but I believe it will consist of many places as together we make our track back to the land of Israel.

Our forefathers wandered in the wilderness for 40 years; they were all over the place. Our time in the wilderness will be for three ½ years. I believe our wilderness time for us in the Americas will be the exact same route we took to get here. I believe we will return through the west coast of Africa, picking up our brothers and sisters along the way, through central Africa, through East Africa, through the exact same wilderness in which our forefathers wandered, and, finally, to the land of Israel. A mighty righteous army marching over Jordan! HALLELUYAH! YAHOSHUA TELLS THOSE IN YAHUDAH, SOUTHERN ISRAEL, TO ESCAPE INTO THE MOUNTAINS. MANY BELIEVE THE WILDERNESS WILL BE SOMEWHERE NEAR THE LAND OF ISRAEL.

MATTHEW 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be
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When the time comes, we will know when and where to go. Remember, Yah is our Guide.

To recap:

• The time between which the Man of Sin proclaims to be the greatest God and the time of Yahoshua’s return will be 3½ years.

• The wilderness is the place of safety and nourishment established by Yah to protect Israel from Satan during that 3-½ year period.

• The wilderness is a physical place located on Earth; it is not a state of mind or the rapture.

• Our retreat into the wilderness will be like the wilderness period in the days of Moshe.

• Yah will utilize our time in the wilderness to cleanse us and purge those who refuse to accept (the rebels).

• Subsequent to our wilderness period, Israel will be brought into the land of Israel and restored to a sovereign nation under Yah.

• Those who do not make it into the wilderness will be left behind to teach the people and will suffer the full blow of Satan’s anger. (These are they who will be beheaded for the testimony of Yahoshua and for keeping the Laws of Yah.)

Read this lesson along with last week’s ("The Mark of the Beast & the War Against the Saints") to help increase your understanding of this time soon to come. We are quickly coming to the days that were foretold so long ago.



There you have it my brother. I hope this lesson has been a blessing for you as it has been for me.


Stop. Go read family. In the name of Yahshua Messiyah.
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Pause. you said the tribulation is a 3 1/2 period...i say it is 7 years or 2520 days based upon jewish prophetic calender.

you err in Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy
you forget that the antichrist signs the treaty for 7 years


you err in being able to rightly divide the scriptures.

you can not use the existance of one thing to disprove the existance of another.

i.e. the existance of the wilderness prepared to hide isreal does not negate the rapture

i.e. the existance of the day of the lord does not negate the rapture.

now:

I want you to understand this, then I will make another post of pure exegesis which refutes your claim as it provides a question you cannot answer with scrip....and if you aint got scrip...all you got is lip.
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Understanding the Bible is simple if we just let it say what it says and do not put our own agendas into it.



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1 THESSALONIANS CHP 2

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

this clearly says that before the day of the Lord returning the man of sin must be revealed.


4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Here is the question: who is the HE that has to be taken out of the way?

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

after this "he" is taken out of the way, THEN THE ANTICHRIST IS REVEALED...

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

THIS VERSE SHOWS IT IS THE ANTICHRIST THAT THEY ARE DESCRIBING AS "THAT WICKED"


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  • WHO IS IT THAT IS THE HE WHO NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE THE ANTICHRIST CAN COME?
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• The time between which the Man of Sin proclaims to be the greatest God and the time of Yahoshua’s return will be 3½ years.


SO FROM WHEN THE ANTICHRIST FIRST COMES ON THE SCENE AND SIGNS A 7 YEAR TREATY AND ALL THAT HORRBILE STUFF IS HAPPENING UNTIL THE ABOMINATION THAT CAUSES DESOLATION...APPROX 1260 DAYS OR 3 1/2 YEARS.....WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT? IF IT AINT PART OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD? IS IT NOT THE WRATH OF THE LAMB???
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Pause. you said the tribulation is a 3 1/2 period...i say it is 7 years or 2520 days based upon jewish prophetic calender.

you err in Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy
you forget that the antichrist signs the treaty for 7 years


you err in being able to rightly divide the scriptures.

you can not use the existance of one thing to disprove the existance of another.

i.e. the existance of the wilderness prepared to hide isreal does not negate the rapture

i.e. the existance of the day of the lord does not negate the rapture.

now:

I want you to understand this, then I will make another post of pure exegesis which refutes your claim as it provides a question you cannot answer with scrip....and if you aint got scrip...all you got is lip.
that "jew" calendar is tradition by the Gentliles they are...Scriptures don't need heavthen tampering...they done enough. Those jewish converts in the land today are imposters. They don't know scripture...they put their tradition in it. You should read the scripts how they are written.

Israel is the "church"...Elohim made a covenant with Israel, not Christianity. Either join the covenant or suffer at the deception of Satan.

The day of the "LORD" is the day YAHUWAH....When it reads that in the Letter, it orginally says YAHUWAH, or means that. Not "Jesus"

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3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


this clearly says that before the day of the Lord returning the man of sin must be revealed.
I have no issue with this...

Nor this...

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4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Here is the question: who is the HE that has to be taken out of the way?

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

after this "he" is taken out of the way, THEN THE ANTICHRIST IS REVEALED...

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

THIS VERSE SHOWS IT IS THE ANTICHRIST THAT THEY ARE DESCRIBING AS "THAT WICKED"

There is no rapture.

Israel and the Gentiles are not dealt with using two law or methods. Yah deals with all the same. "One law between the natural born and the stranger"


Israel the natural seed, are not going to the wilderness then all the other people who be found worhty going up to the sky...don't work like that.


Point is...there is no rapture. Read the lesson with understanding.
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LOOK KIDS! COUP STILL HAS NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION

DUDE THE JEWS ARE BLINDED RIGHT NOW BRO.....AND IT WILL TAKE THE ANTICHRIST SITTING IN TEH HOLY OF HOLIES TO SAY THAT HE IS GOD FOR THIER EYES TO BE OPENED.

SOUNDS LIKE TO ME YOU ARE TRYING TO MINGLE JEWDOM AND CHRISTIANITY. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
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DUDE ISREAL IS GOING TO THE WILDERNESS TO HIDE DURING THE END OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD AND THEN THE BATTLE OF ARMEGEDDON WHEN JESUS COMES BACK WTIH THE SAINTS....THE WILDERNESS IS NOT THE MILLENIAL REIGN....THAT IS THE NEW JERUSALEM.....THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ON THAT. CMON MAN.

YOU ARE MAKING A MESS OF THE BIBLE. PLEASE STOP. FOLLOW ANOTHER RABBI.
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why look kids ? are you trying to get rep for your ignorance ? This is about your pride ?

what a joke...


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here is understanding on Dainel and the times...give ear.

Revelation 12, Isaiah 26:16-21, Isaiah 66:5-24.

then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
And he shall stand and feed in the strength of Yahuwah, in the majesty of the NAME OF Yahuwah his Elohim; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.


Now we see that not only was Yahshua was SUPPOSED to die, but he also had to GIVE ISRAEL UP until the time appointed. Now let's see another prophecy concerning the Messiah. These prophecies are VERY important for understanding EXACTLY what Yahshua came to do when he came in the flesh.

Daniel 9:24-27

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon his holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, AND TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN weeks, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS:


This commandment to go forth and rebuild Jerusalem came in around 457 B.C. and you can read about this in the books of EZRA and NEHEMIAH.

1 week = 7 years, therefore 7 weeks = 49 years. It took 49 years to rebuild Jerusalem.

the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This 49 years of rebuilding Jerusalem is your 7 weeks.

And after THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS shall MESSIAH BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF:

This is 62 weeks or 434 years AFTER Jerusalem and the temple is rebuilt.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall DESTROY THE CITY AND THE SANCTUARY: and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war DESOLATIONS ARE DETERMINED.

After Yahshua was cut off, Jerusalem and the temple would be, and WAS, destroyed, and ALL the desolations that was prophesied to befall Israel FELL ON THEM. Read Jeremiah 15 to see what these desolations would be.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:...

This is the covenant that had been prophesied about in Jeremiah 31.

...and in the MIDST of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

This is a two-fold prophecy. Yahshua "confirming the covenant to Israel" was his ministry which was a seven year ministry, but he was cut off in the midst of the week. He completed the first three and a half years of the ministry. When he was cut off in the midst of the week, the sacrifices and the oblations (THIS LAW) ceased. Also he was cut off literally in the midst of a week. A Wednesday evening. And he was in the heart of the earth (Matthew 12:39-40) for three days and three nights.

and for the overspreading of abominations HE shall make it desolate...

Yahshua prophesied concerning the Romans coming and destroying Jerusalem and the temple, and bringing about the desolations of Israel.

Luke 21:5-6, 20, 23-24

And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another which shall not be thrown down...
...And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolations thereof is nigh...
...for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon THIS people. And they shall fall by the edge of the SWORD, and shall be led away captive into ALL NATIONS: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


The Romans fulfilled this in 70 AD

You can read how Yahshua had to flee from those who would make him a king, (John 6:14-15), and how even the disciples didn't understand that it was not time for the kingdom of God to come, but instead, it was time for the Messiah to die for the people. (Matthew 16:20-23, Acts 1:6)
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