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Pharaohs Army · 03-31-2016, 06:37 PM

Here's some thoughts
My heart sinks whenever I see a "scroll" on the bottom of a TV news screen ticker, that says "this many killed/this many wounded... today in Iraq, or today in Pakistan". Or Yemen. Or other African countries.
Yeah- which aren't covered much at all on US Television news (if you dig u can probly find some decent internet "print reporting" tho)

Shit, Boko Horam around a month ago sent female suicide bombers INTO A REFUGEE CAMP full of women and children, then male fighters came through and burned the people and housing structures that weren't exploded.

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the hatred Bush family fell upon the Middle East is rearing its ugly head and its very very angry.

I hate Bush foreign policy too, but when will you people wake up to the fact that Western Foreign policy is not the big factor here?

There is a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites; that's why they blow up Mosques full of other Muslims.
That's why Saudis and Iranians are fighting a geopolitical proxy war (to go along with the religious underpinnings)...

?Did terrorists blow up hundreds of innocents in a park in Pakistan during Easter celebrations Because of American Foreign Policy?
Give me a fucking break

The teachings of their holy book (written by the creator of the universe) states that non-muslims are infidels to be killed, converted, or subjugated.

Islam says that governance and "the state" are to be one and the same/intertwined with Holy Law--
The antithesis of secular separation of church&state

It's really not that complicated. (the why)
The hard part is finding solutions, since reformers and apostates are usually threatened, silenced, or killed.
Also, far too much "turn a blind eye", or tacit support, from the very religious... even if they themselves do not engage in violence.

Many times when there is a "democratic election", the population Votes in Sharia Law governments.. essentially: "as a democracy we declare that we'd like to have a theocracy, thx."

then, with ISIS, we have the scripture on steroids

I find it sad that Paris & Brussels have been recent targets
Pretty dang tolerant and free places (relative to most in the world)
Talk about being "ungrateful"

I mean if terrorists are "hitting" the US or Israel, they can at least spout their secular grievances, but for god sakes France&Belgium??
Sure, there' probably a right wing faction with islamophobia, which could make life difficult...
WONDER WHY?, LOL

I am left of center but find it absolutely disgusting that our President (and many-a-liberal) does not call a spade a spade.

ISIS has "Hijacked" Islam? "Warped" the faith?
Na. As Destroyer alluded to, they're just following the Hadith and the violent parts of the Qran very very closely. They are the most faithful.

The slaughter is just so pointless
This is what you get when the largest religion in the world is not only a death cult, but a death cult that wishes to expand& force upon others.

The things religious people believe en mass.. clinically insane beliefs in any other (non-"faith") context.

but an "extremist" Jane just gets more&more peaceful, so the "kind of beliefs" matter.. to paraphrase Harris

uh-oh · 03-31-2016, 06:51 PM

Alot of it is western foreign policy tho breh

I cant speak on pakistan that could be a number of things, but you mention the shiites and sunnis or however you spell it having their civil war or whatever. You gotta understand that westerners went and divided the middle east and cut it all up and placed the borders for them. Iraq for instance is really like 3 different countries in their eyes. But we come in and give this swath of land one name, give them "democracy" help get a leader elected who is in the wests pocket and whether he is sunni or shiite, that person is basically stupid harsh on the opposite faction that he rules over. And he only rules over them because the west deemed it so.

Alot of the middle easts problems have to do with the west. You cant chalk it up to just islam.

Eŋg · 03-31-2016, 07:08 PM

if you were to decontextualize scripture from any of the three abrahamic religions you could make very convincing cases for each of them justifying the murder of those that aren't of their faith. those justifications have, historically, been actualized in the past, too. when cities are carpet bombed and innocent women and children are murdered en masse (to allegedly weed out a few 'terrorists' or insurgents they're sure are there) predominantly from the military forces of supposedly 'christian' states the faith is rarely, if ever, brought into it - even when a leader, at the time of committing said atrocities, will say their 'christian conscience is clear' (paraphrase).

you could also scour the scripture for good examples that posit co-existence. but nobody is interested in that, because when shit goes down, we (as a collective) immediately want to assign blame somewhere as long as it isn't among ourselves. creatures governed by fear and quick to cling to the negative.

on numbers alone (go and look at them), 'ISIS' are responsible for killing more muslims than they are non-muslims, so they can hardly be termed the jihadist crusaders for islamic justice, can they? atrocities committed outside of the western world (essentially america and europe) aren't given media exposure unless they fit into the western political rhetoric. similarly, true empathy/compassion can't be selective and switched on only when your news story tells you it should be. basically, we don't give a fuck unless white people are killed. assuming those white people aren't white muslim chechens or something. you know, those actually caucas people.

to summarize, ISIS isn't remotely representative of islam and is so only because of flawed hive-minded, mob-mentality thinking. i question whether they even think they're muslim, honestly, because it's not like there's no precedent for warring factions to assume another identity in attempts to exacerbate tensions or force a hand, is there? no, of course not. i'll let my nigga diderot put it more succintly than i could hope to:

disturbances in society are never more fearful than when those who are stirring up the trouble can use the pretext of religion to mask their true designs.

i mean, come on. he wrote that in the 17th century or some shit. smart dumb niggas. i can definitely point belgium out on a map, too.

Pharaohs Army · 03-31-2016, 07:35 PM

I'm not discounting the role of western foreign policy
I'm saying the religion is the underlying cause, above all

Ask an ISIS fighter if they think they're Muslim, lol
Ask an ISIS fighter if they hate America - Yep, for reasons X Y and Z which, damn they've got some points,,, But, ask them Why they are doing what they are doing? And the answer is because they are calling all to the Caliphate, to bring on the end times, and that they love death more than the infidel loves life.

They could be lying, who knows. I tend to take them at their word and at their actions.

Pharaohs Army · 03-31-2016, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eŋg

if you were to decontextualize scripture from any of the three abrahamic religions you could make very convincing cases for each of them justifying the murder of those that aren't of their faith. those justifications have, historically, been actualized in the past, too.

I know bro.
But it's VERY clear in Islamic text, and far more frequent. "Less steps" of decontextualizations.
Also note the word "past"... if I lived hundreds of years ago, Catholicism would absolutely be the clear and present danger that I'd be concerned about.

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Originally Posted by Eŋg

when cities are carpet bombed and innocent women and children are murdered en masse (to allegedly weed out a few 'terrorists' or insurgents they're sure are there) predominantly from the military forces of supposedly 'christian' states the faith is rarely, if ever, brought into it - even when a leader, at the time of committing said atrocities, will say their 'christian conscience is clear' (paraphrase).

Shock & Awe made me sick to my stomach and conscience.
But as I have made some broad points about terrorism and Islam, I ask myself: little girls being kidnapped, denied schooling, or treated as sex slaves (spoils of war) becaaaause??... can we draw a straight line from these things to US bombings in the Middle East?, I'd say the line is much much straighter to the Prophet Mohammad's worldly conquests and exploits.

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you could also scour the scripture for good examples that posit co-existence. but nobody is interested in that, because when shit goes down, we (as a collective) immediately want to assign blame somewhere as long as it isn't among ourselves. creatures governed by fear and quick to cling to the negative.

There are some beautiful parts of the Koran. A lot of Goodnatured folks are inclined to interpret 'jihad' as an inner struggle for piety pureness and goodness to all.
Lol, I'm not worried about that. At all.
I'm more concerned about the other very common interpretation of Jihad (which does not take much 'twisting' at ALL). You know.. The one which results in body parts of innocent people being exploded all over. This is happening more frequently these last few years.

I'm also concerned about innocent civilians being exploded when a drone strike occurs. Even if their skin is brown.

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on numbers alone (go and look at them), 'ISIS' are responsible for killing more muslims than they are non-muslims, so they can hardly be termed the jihadist crusaders for islamic justice, can they?

So when ISIS goes into a village and spraypaints buildings with symbols that display the "kind of Muslim" the residents of the building are... I guess that's just for the fun of it.

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to summarize, ISIS isn't remotely representative of islam...

Then why do they use passages from the Hadith and Koran to justify what they're doing, and to recruit?

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...and is so only because of flawed hive-minded, mob-mentality thinking.

Congratulations, you've defined religion.
particularly the big3 monotheistics.

Pharaohs Army · 03-31-2016, 08:17 PM

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Also note the word "past"... if I lived hundreds of years ago, Catholicism would absolutely be the clear and present danger that I'd be concerned about.

,even though there were millions of peaceful nonviolent Catholics just trying to live their life

03-31-2016, 06:51 PM	#82
uh-oh DA GOD Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canton Ohio Posts: 12,362 Battle Record: 1-0 Champed - Beat Battle II - Beat Battle V - Beat Bags Rep Power: 84181420	Alot of it is western foreign policy tho breh I cant speak on pakistan that could be a number of things, but you mention the shiites and sunnis or however you spell it having their civil war or whatever. You gotta understand that westerners went and divided the middle east and cut it all up and placed the borders for them. Iraq for instance is really like 3 different countries in their eyes. But we come in and give this swath of land one name, give them "democracy" help get a leader elected who is in the wests pocket and whether he is sunni or shiite, that person is basically stupid harsh on the opposite faction that he rules over. And he only rules over them because the west deemed it so. Alot of the middle easts problems have to do with the west. You cant chalk it up to just islam. __________________ EVERYBODY I KNOW GOT WEED OR GOT POWDER BUT I AINT GOT EITHER. GOT ALOT OF DEMONS

03-31-2016, 07:08 PM	#83
Eŋg rhyme capsule. Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 2,150 Rep Power: 0	if you were to decontextualize scripture from any of the three abrahamic religions you could make very convincing cases for each of them justifying the murder of those that aren't of their faith. those justifications have, historically, been actualized in the past, too. when cities are carpet bombed and innocent women and children are murdered en masse (to allegedly weed out a few 'terrorists' or insurgents they're sure are there) predominantly from the military forces of supposedly 'christian' states the faith is rarely, if ever, brought into it - even when a leader, at the time of committing said atrocities, will say their 'christian conscience is clear' (paraphrase). you could also scour the scripture for good examples that posit co-existence. but nobody is interested in that, because when shit goes down, we (as a collective) immediately want to assign blame somewhere as long as it isn't among ourselves. creatures governed by fear and quick to cling to the negative. on numbers alone (go and look at them), 'ISIS' are responsible for killing more muslims than they are non-muslims, so they can hardly be termed the jihadist crusaders for islamic justice, can they? atrocities committed outside of the western world (essentially america and europe) aren't given media exposure unless they fit into the western political rhetoric. similarly, true empathy/compassion can't be selective and switched on only when your news story tells you it should be. basically, we don't give a fuck unless white people are killed. assuming those white people aren't white muslim chechens or something. you know, those actually caucas people. to summarize, ISIS isn't remotely representative of islam and is so only because of flawed hive-minded, mob-mentality thinking. i question whether they even think they're muslim, honestly, because it's not like there's no precedent for warring factions to assume another identity in attempts to exacerbate tensions or force a hand, is there? no, of course not. i'll let my nigga diderot put it more succintly than i could hope to: disturbances in society are never more fearful than when those who are stirring up the trouble can use the pretext of religion to mask their true designs. i mean, come on. he wrote that in the 17th century or some shit. smart dumb niggas. i can definitely point belgium out on a map, too. Last edited by Eŋg; 03-31-2016 at 07:21 PM.

03-31-2016, 07:35 PM	#84
Pharaohs Army Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 2,956 Battle Record: 6 - 14 Rep Power: 0	I'm not discounting the role of western foreign policy I'm saying the religion is the underlying cause, above all Ask an ISIS fighter if they think they're Muslim, lol Ask an ISIS fighter if they hate America - Yep, for reasons X Y and Z which, damn they've got some points,,, But, ask them Why they are doing what they are doing? And the answer is because they are calling all to the Caliphate, to bring on the end times, and that they love death more than the infidel loves life. They could be lying, who knows. I tend to take them at their word and at their actions.