do you use one of these banks?

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Originally Posted by uh-oh

youre just misunderstanding me

i never said it was impossible, i was saying its a giant investment, meaning its very far from cheap switching to it. our entire infrastructure is built to burn fossil fuels. its cheaper to just keep this going how it is, because of how much of an undertaking it is to change it all.

when i'm talking innovations i mean affordable realistic things that the common person can do. a tesla is relatively affordable for example. its becoming affordable to switch to a completely renewable system in your own home. you can't act like its always been this way, with all technologies shit is stupid expensive as they come out, until those technologies get streamlined and are able to be put out cheaper and still make a profit

because thats what its about. when these renewable energy guys can make everything for prices that can compete with big oil, and make it more convenient to switch, people will. unless of course they are restricted

like im pretty sure i heard 3rd hand on a podcast about a comedian setting up his house with all solar, but he still is legally required to be hooked to the regular electrical grid

that type of shit is retarded, we can agree there.

but yea i'm basically just talking about making the change make sense to the common person. and also the person making the stuff. if i own a company that makes solar panels and it costs me 100 dollars to make one, i can't sell it for 101 dollars. i got employees, i got the building i got expenses blah blah blah. its not at a place where a company can make money and make these things so that people can buy them.

thats why they try to legislate it, because in the actual business world it doesnt make sense. normal people ain't gonna buy it. but if they can get the government to pay for it they can do it.

you made my point for me in bold, i don't get it.

beyond that, it has been affordable for years. in every state where it's allowed and offered, a very large percentage of home owners have opted for it, and a large percentage have saved money from the first month of installation. they charge $1,000-$5,000 per panel, and it's still extremely affordable for the customer in states where federal rebates are available. the long term savings are ridiculous. and again, it's always cheaper than fossil fuel, from the start. it only doesn't exist in places like ohio because the state denied the federal rebate program and approved a price per kw that's really not worth it, to protect big oil, who funds their campaigns. its pretty simple really. but what you're saying, is straight horse shit.

[uh-oh]

in the long run of course its cheaper. all i've been saying is its stupid expensive for our entire country to switch over. for some reason you are just looking past that?

if it was as cheap and easy as you are making it out to be, it would be done. its not. of course lobbyists fight it. big oil is tremendous. im saying thats besides the point, take big oil magically off the table. its still a gigantic undertaking, which costs $$$$

all ive been saying. you make it seem like all we need to do is set up some solar panels and call it a day.

[uh-oh]

to put it more plainly

the united states used 1,075,000,000 kilowatts of power in 2014.

https://www.eia.gov/beta/internation...=1980&end=2014

now lets look at the most efficient solar energy plants in the nation, in the mojave desert

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_..._Mojave_Desert

it cost $1,600,000,000 just to build one power plant that produces 250 megawatts. 1 megawatt is 1000 kilowatts. that means its basically 6.4 million for each megawatt.

so lets say all these conditions are perfect, the mojave desert has the space blah blah. just to build THE POWER PLANTS, and those alone, not taking upkeep etc in mind, is over $6,400,000,000,000. thats 6.4 trillion dollars, to have enough power plants to put out 1 million kilowatts.

imagine how much power is going to need to be generated to power everyones tesla that needs to be recharged every 300 miles. what about the semis that deliver everything. what about actually converting places that have gas heat to electric, etc.

and keep in mind that it costs MORE to produce the energy at a solar plant than it does by burning fossil fuels, but again with more innovation it could change

In 2008, solar electricity was not cost competitive with bulk, baseload power. However, it does provide electricity when and where power is most limited and most expensive, which is a strategic contribution. Solar electricity mitigates the risk of fuel-price volatility and improves grid reliability.[6] Since then costs have decreased to make solar electricity increasingly competitive.[7]:p.13

but yea its horseshit. its big oil mannnnnn

[Diode]

i use lloyd banks

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we did it yall. final easement denied.

big thanks to everyone that helped

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by boof

we did it yall. final easement denied.

big thanks to everyone that helped

you didnt do shit faggot

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i mean that's just innaccurate