UFC Cruz-Dillashaw card - Page 3

The Dead Poet · 01-18-2016, 12:55 AM

I had dillashaw winning that.

he cotrolled the center and pushed the pace. those cruz takedowns didnt amount to anything, tj got right back up immediately

jilti · 01-18-2016, 12:55 AM

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Defensive overhook in a sprawl or back control attempt. Stops the shooting or sweeping guy from taking your base out. Can also then be used to reverse or transition to an offensive e position. Wrestlers are extremely adept at it.

good expo

oats · 01-18-2016, 01:18 AM

it's tough, not a robbery but I can see people saying Dillashaw won. I had Cruz with the first 3 rounds, Dillashaw with 4 and 5. Super close, though. both judges who had it 49-46 are dumb imo

oats · 01-18-2016, 01:20 AM

I love that Cruz called out Florian. I legit lost respect for him because of that. Scrub move.

Diode · 01-18-2016, 01:27 AM

Cruz's attitude is so obnoxious though. He's real life Dennis from Always Sunny. The desk interview he just gave on FS1 was so fucking childish.

oats · 01-18-2016, 01:38 AM

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Cruz's attitude is so obnoxious though. He's real life Dennis from Always Sunny. The desk interview he just gave on FS1 was so fucking childish.

I didn't see it cuz I have students now, but I don't doubt it. He's obnoxious, but at least he's honest about it. I prefer characters to librarians.

Pinot Grij · 01-18-2016, 02:22 AM

Ayo. That decision is fucked. Cruz looked otherworldly with his defence - but you don't win a fight by dodging punches. I still think Dillashaw landed more significant shots even if at a lower percentage than usual for him - and the leg kicks and knees on the cage seemed to take a toll on Cruz. It was a close fight, but close in Dillashaw's favour almost completely. I have no idea how Cruz wins 4 rounds in this fight - I can easily see how he lost 4 rounds though. Them scorecards are fucked up - and I'm not buying that "it was just that close" shit. The UFC must really need a superstar pretty bad. And I say all this as a Cruz fan.

Bottom line. Cruz frustrated Dillashaw, but never really capitalized on it, imo.

@Diode @quaker oats break me off with some of that sensei shit.

oats · 01-18-2016, 02:40 AM

here's how I took it. I gave first 3 to Cruz, last 2 to Dillashaw. How I saw it, most of Dillashaw's early strikes were not really landing. What I mean is, they were either blocked, or Cruz was moving away when they landed and they didn't do much. I think that changed in the championship rounds though. Cruz was pot-shotting well, and even though he's not a heavy hitter, he was landing the cleaner shots and dictating the pace of the fight, even as the non-aggressor. I just felt his counterpunching was more effective than Dillashaw's pressure fighting. Plus, he got the better of the few grappling exchanges.

That being said, I only watched it once, live. A lot of analysts whom I respect had it for Dillashaw, even as much as 49-46. But on my first watch, I felt like Cruz got the better of the exchanges. I'll def rewatch it once it's on FightPass and see how I feel about it. I do think it was close as fuck though. Too close to be considered a robbery.

uh-oh · 01-18-2016, 07:44 AM

Rip meatheads orbital

ill nik-A · 01-18-2016, 08:35 AM

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Rip meatheads orbital

Yea that eye was crazy

Useless · 01-18-2016, 10:34 PM

Tj got robbed.

Lol @ the leg kick didn't affect him, it was a previous foot injury. So what the leg kick just aggitated ur foot injury foh I can't stand Cruz.

I thought Pettis won too. And I'm an Alvarez fan, just not when he fights like that.

Fart · 01-18-2016, 11:57 PM

How can you possibly think Pettis won lol

oats · 01-19-2016, 05:55 AM

a lot of people thought Pettis won - including one of the judges. The swing round was that first round, where Alvarez pressed him against the fence for a lot of the time, but he didn't do any meaningful damage and Pettis cracked him with body shots every time he came in. Rd. 2 was clear Pettis, rd. 3 was clearly Alvarez and the most dominant round of the fight. It should have been 5 rounds tbh.

Useless · 01-19-2016, 09:15 AM

Def shoulda been 5. I couldnt believe they were doing it as 3.

All Alvarez did was wall n stall in the first and second. He landed nothing meaningful and had no submission attempts. Pettis was hitting Alvarez quite a bit.

Fart · 01-19-2016, 10:49 AM

Alvarez controlled the entire fight and didn't allow Pettis to do anything besides sone body shots. Completely took him out of the fight he wanted to fight. Clearly one sided.

ill nik-A · 01-19-2016, 12:26 PM

Alvarez did nothing

Those weak little take downs

I'd never pay to watch that bore fight

Eŋg · 01-19-2016, 02:48 PM

forcing a stalemate =/= controlling the fight.

push a man up against a fence and doing little else is hardly winning. i can see the decision for alvarez (i've seen worse), thought pettis won by a sliver.

also thought dillashaw edged cruz, and i say that with a clear cruz bias. i saw it as close, and thought the split would have to be dillashaw's with those scores but idk. would need to rewatch. cruz fought a great fight all things considered, mad respect.

The Dead Poet · 01-21-2016, 07:23 PM

Fart · 01-22-2016, 02:04 AM

Yes it does when Pettis had zero answers for his wrestling. Casual fans

01-18-2016, 01:18 AM	#43
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	it's tough, not a robbery but I can see people saying Dillashaw won. I had Cruz with the first 3 rounds, Dillashaw with 4 and 5. Super close, though. both judges who had it 49-46 are dumb imo __________________ You should be water

01-18-2016, 01:20 AM	#44
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	I love that Cruz called out Florian. I legit lost respect for him because of that. Scrub move. __________________ You should be water

01-18-2016, 01:27 AM	#45
Diode PR's Finest Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 14,165 Battle Record: 12-7 Rep Power: 85899410	Cruz's attitude is so obnoxious though. He's real life Dennis from Always Sunny. The desk interview he just gave on FS1 was so fucking childish. __________________

01-18-2016, 02:22 AM	#47
Pinot Grij Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 863 Battle Record: 23-19 Accomplishments - OM HOF Champed - Fight Night 2 - Write Week V - Netcees Battle League (2x) - Winter Topical II - 1-2 Punch league Rep Power: 29195064	Ayo. That decision is fucked. Cruz looked otherworldly with his defence - but you don't win a fight by dodging punches. I still think Dillashaw landed more significant shots even if at a lower percentage than usual for him - and the leg kicks and knees on the cage seemed to take a toll on Cruz. It was a close fight, but close in Dillashaw's favour almost completely. I have no idea how Cruz wins 4 rounds in this fight - I can easily see how he lost 4 rounds though. Them scorecards are fucked up - and I'm not buying that "it was just that close" shit. The UFC must really need a superstar pretty bad. And I say all this as a Cruz fan. Bottom line. Cruz frustrated Dillashaw, but never really capitalized on it, imo. @Diode @quaker oats break me off with some of that sensei shit. __________________ Topical C.R.E.A.M.

01-18-2016, 02:40 AM	#48
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	here's how I took it. I gave first 3 to Cruz, last 2 to Dillashaw. How I saw it, most of Dillashaw's early strikes were not really landing. What I mean is, they were either blocked, or Cruz was moving away when they landed and they didn't do much. I think that changed in the championship rounds though. Cruz was pot-shotting well, and even though he's not a heavy hitter, he was landing the cleaner shots and dictating the pace of the fight, even as the non-aggressor. I just felt his counterpunching was more effective than Dillashaw's pressure fighting. Plus, he got the better of the few grappling exchanges. That being said, I only watched it once, live. A lot of analysts whom I respect had it for Dillashaw, even as much as 49-46. But on my first watch, I felt like Cruz got the better of the exchanges. I'll def rewatch it once it's on FightPass and see how I feel about it. I do think it was close as fuck though. Too close to be considered a robbery. __________________ You should be water

01-18-2016, 12:55 AM	#41
The Dead Poet Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,138 Rep Power: 22468539	I had dillashaw winning that. he cotrolled the center and pushed the pace. those cruz takedowns didnt amount to anything, tj got right back up immediately

01-18-2016, 07:44 AM	#49
uh-oh DA GOD Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canton Ohio Posts: 12,362 Battle Record: 1-0 Champed - Beat Battle II - Beat Battle V - Beat Bags Rep Power: 84181420	Rip meatheads orbital

01-18-2016, 10:34 PM	#51
Useless 100% Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,803 Battle Record: 9-12 Champed - 1-2 Punch League Rep Power: 0	Tj got robbed. Lol @ the leg kick didn't affect him, it was a previous foot injury. So what the leg kick just aggitated ur foot injury foh I can't stand Cruz. I thought Pettis won too. And I'm an Alvarez fan, just not when he fights like that.

01-18-2016, 11:57 PM	#52
Fart You Next Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,348 Battle Record: 1-2 Rep Power: 7920846	How can you possibly think Pettis won lol __________________ smokin spliffs til i dont exist

01-19-2016, 05:55 AM	#53
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	a lot of people thought Pettis won - including one of the judges. The swing round was that first round, where Alvarez pressed him against the fence for a lot of the time, but he didn't do any meaningful damage and Pettis cracked him with body shots every time he came in. Rd. 2 was clear Pettis, rd. 3 was clearly Alvarez and the most dominant round of the fight. It should have been 5 rounds tbh. __________________ You should be water

01-19-2016, 09:15 AM	#54
Useless 100% Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,803 Battle Record: 9-12 Champed - 1-2 Punch League Rep Power: 0	Def shoulda been 5. I couldnt believe they were doing it as 3. All Alvarez did was wall n stall in the first and second. He landed nothing meaningful and had no submission attempts. Pettis was hitting Alvarez quite a bit.

01-19-2016, 10:49 AM	#55
Fart You Next Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,348 Battle Record: 1-2 Rep Power: 7920846	Alvarez controlled the entire fight and didn't allow Pettis to do anything besides sone body shots. Completely took him out of the fight he wanted to fight. Clearly one sided. __________________ smokin spliffs til i dont exist

01-19-2016, 12:26 PM	#56
ill nik-A Super Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 7,420 Battle Record: 70-25 Accomplishments - Hall of Fame Champed - Battle Arena - BA Picture - Picture Battle Tournament - Netcees Battle League (3x) - Netcees Writers League (2x) - Summer Classic VI - Fall Brawl III - Netcees Battle League Season X - Lyric Olympics Rep Power: 77164519	Alvarez did nothing Those weak little take downs I'd never pay to watch that bore fight __________________ Grumpy old man.

01-19-2016, 02:48 PM	#57
Eŋg rhyme capsule. Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 2,150 Rep Power: 0	forcing a stalemate =/= controlling the fight. push a man up against a fence and doing little else is hardly winning. i can see the decision for alvarez (i've seen worse), thought pettis won by a sliver. also thought dillashaw edged cruz, and i say that with a clear cruz bias. i saw it as close, and thought the split would have to be dillashaw's with those scores but idk. would need to rewatch. cruz fought a great fight all things considered, mad respect.

01-22-2016, 02:04 AM	#59
Fart You Next Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,348 Battle Record: 1-2 Rep Power: 7920846	Yes it does when Pettis had zero answers for his wrestling. Casual fans __________________ smokin spliffs til i dont exist