9/11 post

[Destroyer]

bro, that's why I feel this way, because I watched it happen
and I remember pictures and news stories in the following weeks that showed blocks of cars that were burnt out surrounding the wtc, not crushed, burned.
what burned those cars down to the metal? falling debris?
why were there forge-hot fires in the rubble until December of the same year?

[Diode]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

bro, that's why I feel this way, because I watched it happen
and I remember pictures and news stories in the following weeks that showed blocks of cars that were burnt out surrounding the wtc, not crushed, burned.
what burned those cars down to the metal? falling debris?
why were there forge-hot fires in the rubble until December of the same year?

you understand all of that has been answered a million times over right

[Hush]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

bro, that's why I feel this way, because I watched it happen
and I remember pictures and news stories in the following weeks that showed blocks of cars that were burnt out surrounding the wtc, not crushed, burned.
what burned those cars down to the metal? falling debris?
why were there forge-hot fires in the rubble until December of the same year?

they said it was jet fuel but yea it makes no sense

what do u think it was?

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Hush

they said it was jet fuel but yea it makes no sense

what do u think it was?

man, I don't have any answers
I just know when shit doesn't make sense

[Eŋg]

love prevails.

[Destroyer]

in a way that gels with the laws of physics?
point me to some links bro

[Inno]

I was 19 and 2 weeks into bootcamp when the planes hit. We were getting ready to do a march for some veterans that where visiting ft. Jackson. When all of a sudden my drill sergeant orders us out of formation and directs us back to the barracks. Once at the barracks he says " all recruits from new york or those who have relatives in new york come with us" mind you they havent told us shit at all. So the recruits go with the drill sergeant for about an hour slowly they start trickling in. The only thing eAch of them said was there was a terrorist attack in new york.

That was it for the next couple of hours. No one said shit cuz no one new shit. That night they huddled us in a room and told us simply the same shit the recruits did. Theres been a terrorist attack in new york city and alot of people have died. Thats it. Only other thing they tallked to us about is going to war and the possibility of us being the first wave of troops to go if that did happen. I went through boot came never knowing how horrible the attack was. i didnt even know planes hit and the towers went down until i came home 6 months later.

[Hush]

yeah, I dont want to downplay the lives lost
it was a terrible thing

I just dont think reading there names every yr helps
I think it just propagates more hate for the arab nations

keeps the wound from healing
picking the scab and shit


plus it FUCKS traffic up
like wtf

why did u drive here from PA for this u scumbag weirdo

[PancakeBrah]

I was on an in town class trip to the library (idk). My family lived on a military base so a pretty large section of the school were military kids. I remember we had to go back early, not really knowing why. Once we got back we were told what happened. I remember a handful of kids got picked up from school. Parents freaking out, being in a military area and all. I remember being annoyed my folks didn't take me out of school. Had to learn English and shit. Got home and was pretty pissed Fox wasn't showing the Simpsons that night due to coverage of the attack. I was a pretty dumb shit as a child.

Also will rep diode and bags later for their vehement and correct lambasting of the "truthers" itt. Fight the good fight.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Dancake

I was a pretty dumb shit as a child.

Originally Posted by Dancake

as a child.

Originally Posted by Dancake

child.

[PancakeBrah]

Lol Destroyer pls

[Hush]

I do remember the fires burning for mad long. that wasn't a hoax
@Diode

explain that bro


Im a skeptic by nature but I have no dog in this fight


I am curious tho

[YDK]

Originally Posted by Hush

I do remember the fires burning for mad long. that wasn't a hoax
@Diode

explain that bro


Im a skeptic by nature but I have no dog in this fight


I am curious tho

Jet fuel has a high flashpoint, avgas which is what is used in piston aircraft has a lower flashpoint and is more explosive.
But jet a which is most common in airliners doesn't burn and melt shit, its like kerosene almost. I worked around all that shit for years,
I don't know what would cause shit to burn that long or that hot but I can guarantee from my own personal experience that it's not jet fuel

[veritas]

To me it looked just like the Oklahoma City bombing....

[uh-oh]

first, i hate all of you buffoons

i was in 6th grade science class. a teacher came in frantic talking to the other teacher, we were told what was going on. that a plane hit a building. ding. classes change. went to social studies aka history for children. we watched the second plane hit in there.

but word

all of you guys sound ridiculous. i understand your ignorance, but as a dude who loves conspiracy theories and has looked into everything way too much i can assure you the official stories make the most sense, because its what actually happened

the jet fuel is relatively minor. it caused the initial fire from the explosions, the fire then BURNS and everything in the building fuels it. these massive fires in buildings as big as a city block create the tremendous amount of heat needed to weaken the steel, and start the collapse

its not rocket science

if you want to get into conspiracy theories about WHO made it all happen, that is fine. do what you do. but if your story deviates from hijacked planes taking the towers down you are an imbecile

[oats]

apropos of nothing

[Pharaohs Army]

So it's a horrible attack but honestly, I think tagging the Pentagon is actually pretty impressive for those terrorist nutjobs.

I don't know if it says more about how much our country epically failed (by allowing a plane to nail the Pentagon) or how well-executed their plan was. Both. I guess.

All I know is aside from the tragedy itself, there were a lot of different kind of tragedies as a result... most notably ripping our bill of rights to shreds, particularly the 4th amendment.

The definition and goal of the "terrorism" was to scare us into abandoning our "freedoms", and to bleed us dry financially as we go chase every moozlim with an AK47 on middle east mountaintops.. Bin Ladin said as much.

To say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of lives lost in Iraq, the destabilization of that region, our own dead and wounded soldiers, and the ridiculously bloated and overreaching security state which came about after people&politicians lost their minds post 9-11... Now of course, much of what I have said did not HAVE to be the course of events... but alas it was the resulting occurances.

[Pharaohs Army]

Religion is fucked up.
Radical Islam just happens to be by far the worst and most dangerous, at this present moment in history.
As Sam Harris says, what is lost on non-religious folks, or religious moderates, is these people actually BELIEVE these things - (Jihard, Martyr, 72 virgins, etc).

Of course to you it sounds ludicrous. How could people believe this stuff? &Believe that the book they base their life and actions around was written by the creator of the universe, and is a completely 100% perfect book.
"Violent Extremists" aren't really "perverting" the religion/faith... They are actually the most adherent! If u read the text.

[Eŋg]

Originally Posted by Pharaohs Army

Islam just happens to be by far the worst and most dangerous, at this present moment in history..

Originally Posted by Pharaohs Army

1st period ADVANCED PLACEMENT English class.

comprehensive. a 'terror' attack is nothing more than a semantic nuance.

[Pharaohs Army]

Originally Posted by Eŋg

comprehensive. a 'terror' attack is nothing more than a semantic nuance.

touche'


But wtf with the Piers Morgan? U agree with that?

Yeah, and Hitler made up like .00000000000000000000000000000000001% of the German population. Did a lot of damage tho, no?

Just because the vast majority of Muslims aren't violent terrorists doesn't mean that literal interpretations of the text and the crazy attitudes surrounding the extreme devotions of that religion aren't responsible for MASSIVE violence, deaths, poverty, suppression of rights, lack of education, etc etc

Let's not forget the "concentric circles"... it's about "culture" too... you don't have to be a terrorist to tacitly support it, or, stand silent or neutral, or be too afraid of TERRORISTS AND CLERICS to speak out rationally..

The evidence is all over the place no matter what Piers Morgan may say

ISIS is fundamentally based in Islam
So is Sharia Law
So are all those "tiny" terrorist groups who I guess are no big deal even tho people all over are dying&suffering


At the risk of falling victim to the oversimplified&shallow liberal vs. conservative paradigm in this country, I will say that I am "liberal" on sooo many things but MOST liberals fail to understand that rigid Islam conflicts directly with human rights, and all the things that they stand for.

So, in the name of diversity and political correctness, they(many liberals) forget exactly what it is they stand for.

I don't have a problem with any individual person who is Muslim. I do have a big "problem" with their religion though.