Shutter Island

[dull boy]

Are y'all reading way too much into this movie or just confused by a slightly complicated plot? I thought it was pretty straight forward. He was a US Marshall. His wife drowned their children. He went crazy. Made up a fictional account of her dying and an arsonist to place his anger towards. The doctor was trying to make him realize who is was and what had happened. He did, but decided he didn't want to live with the truth, so he pretended to still be oblivious so they would labotomize him.

What's all this he really was an arsonist stuff? The scenes with water and fire? What are you saying is the significance?

I've heard a lot of people say this movie confused them. Poor attention spans/reasoning/sense.

[Just C]

Originally Posted by dull boy

Are y'all reading way too much into this movie or just confused by a slightly complicated plot? I thought it was pretty straight forward. He was a US Marshall. His wife drowned their children. He went crazy. Made up a fictional account of her dying and an arsonist to place his anger towards. The doctor was trying to make him realize who is was and what had happened. He did, but decided he didn't want to live with the truth, so he pretended to still be oblivious so they would labotomize him.

What's all this he really was an arsonist stuff? The scenes with water and fire? What are you saying is the significance?

I've heard a lot of people say this movie confused them. Poor attention spans/reasoning/sense.

You're missing the very key Nazi theme here. These people weren't employed by the U.S government just to change the diaper's of crazy's. They were employed for being world renowned for torture and manipulation.

If he killed his wife in the lake after she killed his kids. how come he made up the arson laedis scenario? (shift the blame? fair enough but...) and in doing so, more importantly, how come he only ever mentions his wife... and never his kid's?

He was never a father?

The whole drowning was planted in his head through the "missing patient", she then gets into his head so much he later dreams of carrying the "missing patients" child to the lake. an image planted into his head. the only child in that dream is the 1 he see's in concentration camps from when he was a soldier, no 2 other kids, not his deceased wife. his mind is gradually being altered to accept a false truth

again people here are taking their own view and imposing it like other's are stupid for taking another angle which certain clues dictate.

You think you have all the answer's and the movie summed up to a T, when the Irony is you don't, you totally missed the point entirely.

[Joe Metts]

Dull boy hit the nail on the head.

Word he also repiquid my interest lol

im sorry @Meth

still a plus tho
= D

[Flow]

Don't know who it was who was getting this confused at the start of the tread but its as simple as this:

he killed his wife
Due to te stress of what she did an what he did he became unstable
He creates a fake person who killed his wife to deal with it
He lives a fake life of investigating the island every day as a means to deal with reality
The bit at the end of the film is added for the film in the original book he is still mental

There was no concspiracy etc

[Just C]

Originally Posted by Flo Real

Don't know who it was who was getting this confused at the start of the tread but its as simple as this:

he killed his wife
Due to te stress of what she did an what he did he became unstable
He creates a fake person who killed his wife to deal with it
He lives a fake life of investigating the island every day as a means to deal with reality
The bit at the end of the film is added for the film in the original book he is still mental

There was no conspiracy etc

I can't see this strictly from the standpoint that if he was already a patient of 2 years the Dr's wouldn't go through this charade on such a consistent basis, there are 60 plus other patients who Ben Kingsley and Ruffalo's character have to help to tend to on a daily basis when they can just deal with him in a much less time consuming manner. Just the thought alone is extremely far fetched. even if staff took turns to hold his hand through this daily routine is a reach, at least for me.

He was either a marshal going to the island to investigate/expose and gradually turned into a patient to protect the asylum and it's staff

Or he was a patient who they experimented on as a 1 time deal to either

A) cure him to by making him accept his role in his wifes death

B) Make him accept a false reality as a brainwashing experiment.

Or C) Both A and B to make him accept he killed his wife only in a alternate setting as part of a psychological experiment. 2 birds with 1 stone.

[Flow]

Actually they didn't do the charade every day. He's a violent prisoner who beleives they are doing experiments an they are halting his investigation. They allowed the charade to on that, supervised the whole time by chuck aka dr Sheehan, so that if he played out his fantasy he might realise the truth and be cured.

You must either be trolling or not paid attention the second time you watched it. You will see all the evidence and clues the second time round making the film unique in that sense.

[Orc]

Just C are u trolling

[Just C]

Originally Posted by Orc

Just C are u trolling

No I'm not trolling? lol

Why because I have a different take? You do realise that was the movies intention right?

[veritas]

You should now watch the 9th configuration.

It is what shutter island is based upon.

[veritas]

You should now watch the 9th configuration.

[Just C]

So lets say for arguments sake that he killed his wife.

At the end Kingsley states that he killed his wife after she drowned his 3 children

But prior to this He never mentions having any "kids"..Not once. yet he refers to the death of his wife at the hands of laeddis.. He never dreams about his "kids".. Not once... yet he dreams about his wife on many occasions. If your children died at her hands they would figure in his dreams... especially if he's going to dream about the the mother of his children lol. There is only 1 explanation for this. They never existed to begin with. They were fabricated. You can say he shut out their death because it was too painful. But dreams are the 1 place you can't escape from such a traumatic reality.

You can say her being wet in his dreams represents the lake scenario. but it was pissing it down with rain everytime he went to sleep, thunder and lightning. Thats what was manifesting itself in his dreams of her.

[Orc]

I've never watched it cuz my friends told me the ending. Woulda liked to see it & be mindfucked

[Just C]

Really now?

You can't have it both way's

He makes up a character who killed his wife therfor acknowledging she is dead. but refuses to acknowledge his children or their death?.. or that they died with her at the hands of Laediss?. if he is going to make up leadiss as the person who killed her, his children would be a part of that fabrication when "passing the buck|".


He is also seen in a loving embrace with his wife... he cant let go of her.... yet she killed his 3 children making him in turn kill her... really? I miss you killer of my treasured children but I refuse to even acknowledge them in in any way shape or form?

Can someone who has seen both this and Dr moreau compare n contrast a bit and then give a final judgment on which one is better plz

will help indicate if I should watch despite spoilers

[Flow]

Lol at just c you did watch the film right? He does dream about his kids. He sees them as dead victims in his war flashbacks and he sees her repeatedly through the film asking why didn't you save me.....

[Flow]

@Orc that sucks. First time you watch if not knowing the ending is sick the second time is even better. Its like a different film because you can clearly see now he is mental by how everyone act around him