Andrew Yang for president?

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Originally Posted by boof

sure just fyi they are the number one employer though

the government is funded by us - UBI is a government program

business' make more money when you raise wages, maybe not the ones that make their money off putting profit into the stock market, they might have slimmer margins to buyback stock and pay executives, idc, the local / small ones that grow communities from the middle out will.

hopefully you realize big reasons bezos' service is so widely used by the public is because we're all broke and few realize the destructive nature of his business model

and the biggest reasons he was able to rise to this position using such low prices is taxpayer funded subsidies and undercutting competition by operating at a loss

you understand normal people start businesses right?

not every business is an evil money hungry organization out to keep people down like the us government. some are just a woman wanting to open a restaurant or a dude putting together a landscaping company etc etc etc. what gives you the right to mandate they pay a wage they can't afford?

but realistically this is gonna be a useless back and forth because i think the minimum wage should be abolished. we are pretty much at the opposite ends on this issue

[boof]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

you understand normal people start businesses right?

not every business is an evil money hungry organization out to keep people down like the us government. some are just a woman wanting to open a restaurant or a dude putting together a landscaping company etc etc etc. what gives you the right to mandate they pay a wage they can't afford?

but realistically this is gonna be a useless back and forth because i think the minimum wage should be abolished. we are pretty much at the opposite ends on this issue

because of the third section of the post you just quoted, did you skip over that? it's a policy aimed to help the working class and small businesses the most. small businesses in america have been destroyed by amazon and walmart because amazon and walmart are all people can afford, they also absorb all of the jobs and pay as little as possible. when you give the working class a significant raise they all have more disposable income, and are much more likely to choose a small business over walmart/amazon because they can afford to have the type of economic ethics that can support community endeavors instead of the cheapest monopolies. an example local restaurants will get more customers because people won't be forced to resort to fast food and can afford to eat out or spend more on groceries at their local supermarket. etc. the velocity of the money grows

corporations used to have limits. income inequality was smaller then, obviously. there's no reason that resources should be allowed to be harvested extracted or hoarded at an infinite level. we have finite resources it makes no sense. each billion accrued by an individual extracts an amount of resources that could sustain 1,000 people for 16 years(based on average income, 3,000 would survive at a poverty level). this is why the underclass grows, this is why poverty grows, it's a result of infinite growth for those in a position to continue to consolidate power and control at the top while doling out the same abysmal minimum wage for decades and cost of living continues to grow dramatically

[Blue Bayou]

Vote Warren

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Originally Posted by Blue Bayou

Vote Warren

Gross

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who?

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I registered Democrat to vote for Yang

Unless anything changes by primary time though I’m voting Bernie. Too close to not make it count towards the most viable best option.

[Dominate]

Originally Posted by Spleth

I registered Democrat to vote for Yang

Unless anything changes by primary time though I’m voting Bernie. Too close to not make it count towards the most viable best option.

Were you anti-Bernie or a republican at some point and have swung, or am I misremembering?

Or are you just anti abortion but lean left on most other issues?

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Originally Posted by Dominate

Were you anti-Bernie or a republican at some point and have swung, or am I misremembering?

Or are you just anti abortion but lean left on most other issues?

Second one

I have been a member of the libertarian party until this year

I’d say I’m pretty moderate there’s some other right leaning stuff I agree on but not much else big ticket items other than abortion just some constitutional stuff but even then not all of it

[boof]

nice

i'm all for yang's campaign but if he doesn't hit 15 in iowa i think he's gotta dip out quick

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its crazy that you're admitting people only work because their life depends on it, and crazier that you think that's okay.

there are countries where people work less than us and live better, despite having less money per capita, do you understand this?

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Whom?

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everything is already rising dramatically in price without UBI and stagnant wages. if it did after ubi, it would be a choice by capitalists who would jack up prices just based on that knowledge, which is why i also support rent control, using the international drug pricing index as the standard for pharma(yang), medicare for all, a $15/minimum wage, etc.

fyi dom no ones arguing the $1,000 would go to small businesses. i simply said small businesses would take in more money once the working class as a whole gets a significant raise, because uh-oh was trying to say a $15 minimum wage would hurt small businesses.

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jeesh imagine thinking cutting the right people out of your life is all it takes to not be poor

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^exactly. big pharma does this most effectively. they split the market and jack up prices in unison. that's happening now

[Dominate]

Originally Posted by boof

^exactly. big pharma does this most effectively. they split the market and jack up prices in unison. that's happening now

Some industries need some degree of regulation. That’s true with or without UBI being a thing though. It wouldn’t be the case for most stuff just like it isn’t now.

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Originally Posted by Dominate

Some industries need some degree of regulation. That’s true with or without UBI being a thing though. It wouldn’t be the case for most stuff just like it isn’t now.

My point was that it wouldn't be a thing because of UBI, as it already happens now in way more sectors than it should. Imo, some industries shouldn't be for profit. Specifically, ones that determine people's ability to live or die.

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another take that makes no sense but that other dude who was here like a week already touched on why that was ridiculous

also not at all worried about ai taking jobs in our lifetime to any degree of significance