ay bernie completely torched this fox news townhall i'm in disbelief

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

No one supports killing living breathing babies, dumb ass

You’ve done 0 research into anything relating to abortion laws in the last year if you think that. Don’t call me a dumb ass because you aren’t educated on something that you feel must be fact if you’re pretty sure it is maybe. Prick.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by seth

You’ve done 0 research into anything relating to abortion laws in the last year if you think that. Don’t call me a dumb ass because you aren’t educated on something that you feel must be fact if you’re pretty sure it is maybe. Prick.

Lmao
Point me to the “it’s ok to kill babies now because that’s totes abortion” law

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Lmao
Point me to the “it’s ok to kill babies now because that’s totes abortion” law

I'm no longer helping netcees members become educated and useful members of society

Google it if you care. You don't and won't. You will continue to have views based on nothing, so there really isn't a point in wasting my time failing to convince you on one of those views.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by seth

You’ve done 0 research into anything relating to abortion laws in the last year if you think that. Don’t call me a dumb ass because you aren’t educated on something that you feel must be fact if you’re pretty sure it is maybe. Prick.

Hi, someone who has, here.

Late term abortions are federally illegal under Roe v. Wade except in instances where the child will not survive birth, will die immediately following birth, or there is certain risk to the life of the mother and/or child as a result of childbirth.

This has been the case since 1973. It has suddenly become a talking point in 2019 because some states have codified this language in their State Constitutions and/or via adjacent legislation as means to keep it protected under the assumption Trump's right-leaning USSC will overturn Roe.

Mouthbreathing assclowns like Glenn Beck and friends have decided to spin this into "LIBRUL STATES WANNA KILL FULL TERM BABIES" because that is the world we live in now.

I'm sorry you took the bait, though I also fully realize you don't believe in abortion under any circumstances anyway, so why is this any different than the way it's always been for you?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Diode

Hi, someone who has, here.

Late term abortions are federally illegal under Roe v. Wade except in instances where the child will not survive birth, will die immediately following birth, or there is certain risk to the life of the mother and/or child as a result of childbirth.

This has been the case since 1973. It has suddenly become a talking point in 2019 because some states have codified this language in their State Constitutions and/or via adjacent legislation as means to keep it protected under the assumption Trump's right-leaning USSC will overturn Roe.

Mouthbreathing assclowns like Glenn Beck and friends have decided to spin this into "LIBRUL STATES WANNA KILL FULL TERM BABIES" because that is the world we live in now.

I'm sorry you took the bait, though I also fully realize you don't believe in abortion under any circumstances anyway, so why is this any different than the way it's always been for you?

So weed is illegal in California now? If something is federal no state legislation is valid?

I think all abortion is murder. I don't believe any should be illegal because banning things with a dominate hold on a culture never work. I think we have bigger fish to fry as a society. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it and debate mouth breathing liberals that would have been red car mechanics if they lived two towns over.

I simply stated in this thread that Bernies platform supports these late term abortions, and that it isn't going to win him undecided voters. Des took that and called me a dumb ass, and then continued to make non arguments with me because he thinks he is all knowing but totally doesn't care he just like, is in the know. super smart guy.

So, my ARGUMENT is that Bernie using that as a talking point when he knows it won't help him win undecided and current Trump voters (whole point of using fox as a platform??) just shows how fractured the left is atm. He made a bunch of points to win over some leftist that aren't currently in his favor while doing nothing to win over people that will actually help the left win the big picture. Just my opinion. This only turned into what it did because I challenged destro on actually having a useful thought and he failed like he usually does. Now he's just going to insult my wife instead of me because he's a cheap shot loser with no value to give society.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by seth

So weed is illegal in California now? If something is federal no state legislation is valid?

I think all abortion is murder. I don't believe any should be illegal because banning things with a dominate hold on a culture never work. I think we have bigger fish to fry as a society. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it and debate mouth breathing liberals that would have been red car mechanics if they lived two towns over.

I simply stated in this thread that Bernies platform supports these late term abortions, and that it isn't going to win him undecided voters. Des took that and called me a dumb ass, and then continued to make non arguments with me because he thinks he is all knowing but totally doesn't care he just like, is in the know. super smart guy.

So, my ARGUMENT is that Bernie using that as a talking point when he knows it won't help him win undecided and current Trump voters (whole point of using fox as a platform??) just shows how fractured the left is atm. He made a bunch of points to win over some leftist that aren't currently in his favor while doing nothing to win over people that will actually help the left win the big picture. Just my opinion. This only turned into what it did because I challenged destro on actually having a useful thought and he failed like he usually does. Now he's just going to insult my wife instead of me because he's a cheap shot loser with no value to give society.

Marijuana remains Schedule 1 at the federal level and is federally illegal to own, possess, distribute, manufacture, etc. in all 50 states. State laws and federal laws come into conflict frequently. The willingness to bring those laws to trial is what decides whether or not something remains in conflict. For marijuana, the DOJ has erred on the side of not challenging the states but rather prosecuting individuals.

For late term abortions, you can bet your ass a mother trying to leverage loose language to abort for any reason other than what Roe set precedent for would have an army of lawyers descend upon the statehouse faster than she could take a breath.

I never told you that you couldn't have an opinion (hence stating that none of this argument even makes sense since morally you are opposed to all abortions). And I simply pointed out that no state legislator intended for a protective state law to be misconstrued to legalize all late term abortions. Unfortunately, the sqwakboxes on the right chose to spin it that way.

You and Des and Bern and Boof are its own thing and I ain't touching it.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

No one supports killing living breathing babies, dumb ass

Wrong.

[Paytience]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

No one supports killing living breathing babies, dumb ass

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

[Pharaohs Army]

Originally Posted by Paytience

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

Name 1 person who supports it

[Paytience]

Originally Posted by Pharaohs Army

Name 1 person who supports it

Here are 44 democrats who voted against the born alive bill:

Baldwin (D-WI)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Booker (D-NJ)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Coons (D-DE)
Cortez Masto (D-NV)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harris (D-CA)
Hassan (D-NH)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Hirono (D-HI)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Markey (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Peters (D-MI)
Reed (D-RI)
Rosen (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Sinema (D-AZ)
Smith (D-MN)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-NM)
Van Hollen (D-MD)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Ralph Northam Democrat, governer of Virginia:
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

[Sharp]

DAMN RITE WHY DON'T HE JUST SEND 52% OF HIS MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT GOT EMMM

Trash tier for even gotcha journalism. Reminded me of that segment on Parks and Rec, but dragged out forever... Then trying to paint him as elitist with the special congress health care plan

Maybe I'm just seeing the same pitfalls? It seems like he's getting caught in the pitfall of owning the term socialism when he has to know he's not likely to get more support on that term. But I caught a lot of the old Bernie in watching most of it. Health care for all, wealthy paying their fair share, pandering to young, semi-educated without really talking about how he can make an appeal to the general public and to the other side of a compromise. Glad he replaced 'break up the big banks' with a bit about infrastructure. Tbh I don't think it's on him that I don't see much new material since most questions directed towards him, fox News or audience, are gonna be based on what's heavily known about him, which is all the 2016 primary

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Sharp

DAMN RITE WHY DON'T HE JUST SEND 52% OF HIS MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT GOT EMMM

Trash tier for even gotcha journalism. Reminded me of that segment on Parks and Rec, but dragged out forever... Then trying to paint him as elitist with the special congress health care plan

Maybe I'm just seeing the same pitfalls? It seems like he's getting caught in the pitfall of owning the term socialism when he has to know he's not likely to get more support on that term. But I caught a lot of the old Bernie in watching most of it. Health care for all, wealthy paying their fair share, pandering to young, semi-educated without really talking about how he can make an appeal to the general public and to the other side of a compromise. Glad he replaced 'break up the big banks' with a bit about infrastructure. Tbh I don't think it's on him that I don't see much new material since most questions directed towards him, fox News or audience, are gonna be based on what's heavily known about him, which is all the 2016 primary

shit tier moderating. should have asked him about the socialist in Venezuela. bret baier is a turd.

[uh-oh]

also to say no one supports it is kind of crazy, the only reason i know about it is because the left exploded with joy online over the decision. here is the governor of virginia talking about it



but yo as for bern dog

its bernie lol. i don't like the majority of any of his policies. i caught a clip here and there and its like word. i seen something the other day about his taxes though and basically running for president alone made him a millionaire. which is funny to me. if you start a business and make good in america providing jobs and some sort of service to americans you're evil, but if you talk sweet to the under privileged and downtrodden while milking them of 20 bucks here and there you're a good guy.

i don't fault the bern dog of his wealth though.

[Sharp]

SO

Wth the abortions

Not the point of this thread that's Bernie's rambling and moderation that would make zelph respect bleak's work

But yeah

After the last time, I looked it up

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/ad...-abortion-law/

This sums it up more or less

-Abortions within 24 weeks
-After 24 weeks, abortions allowed if mother's health is threatened or the fetus is not viable (as determined by a doctor)
-moves abortions from criminal to health code, so penalties for doctors who perform them late would be medical board or whatever tf they have as opposed to criminal court


I think your average left of center likes the 'unviable' part and that the state cemented their own policy on abortion. Considering the Supreme Court is more likely than ever to overturn roe v Wade, I don't think it's the worst idea

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Sharp

SO

Wth the abortions

Not the point of this thread that's Bernie's rambling and moderation that would make zelph respect bleak's work

But yeah

After the last time, I looked it up

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/ad...-abortion-law/

This sums it up more or less

-Abortions within 24 weeks
-After 24 weeks, abortions allowed if mother's health is threatened or the fetus is not viable (as determined by a doctor)
-moves abortions from criminal to health code, so penalties for doctors who perform them late would be medical board or whatever tf they have as opposed to criminal court


I think your average left of center likes the 'unviable' part and that the state cemented their own policy on abortion. Considering the Supreme Court is more likely than ever to overturn roe v Wade, I don't think it's the worst idea

uh

Roe v. Wade held that states may limit abortions after fetal viability, except in cases “necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother” (New York’s old law, which predated the decision, only allowed for late-term exceptions to protect the mother’s life.) Fetal viability was defined as being the point when a fetus was “potentially able to live outside the mother’s womb, albeit with artificial aid.”

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

[uh-oh]

also don't confuse this with me railing against abortion. i don't care if you brenda your baby in a dumpster months after it was born. i'd think you were a piece of shit, but i'd think you were weird for caring about what i think you do. you should just understand the laws that are passed and the wiggle room allotted in such cases

[Sharp]

Yeah, health of the mother

Would you prefer the state to have a definition of health? That sounds a little Orwellian to me

At the same time it becomes a medical code issue. I'm sure you'll have some doctors more likely than others to decide if abortion is the right decision for the mother's health, but if I understand it, this would be something they could lose licensure over

If you're gonna talk down to me at least post some sources

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Sharp

Yeah, health of the mother

Would you prefer the state to have a definition of health? That sounds a little Orwellian to me

At the same time it becomes a medical code issue. I'm sure you'll have some doctors more likely than others to decide if abortion is the right decision for the mother's health, but if I understand it, this would be something they could lose licensure over

If you're gonna talk down to me at least post some sources

that was from your link. not trying to talk down to you, just pointing out what was glossed over. the definition of health is loose, and left to human judgement.

im not for the state taking part in any aspect of anyones life for the most part. im simply pointing out what Des thought wasn't happening, since knuck didn't want to

[Sharp]

I understand the wiggle room (made sure to say 'health' and not 'life') but it seems like everyone against the bill thinks there's a mysterious dark entity pushing for more abortions

It struck me as the state wanting its own abortion laws on book in case the SC overturns it but I swear the people I see talking about it are acting like this is a massive win for the abortion lobby. The wiggle room is the result of abortions being taken out of criminal code. I think the big thing they wanted to avoid was the horror stories of women being forced to carry unviable pregnancies to term or go out of state (if they can afford to)

(no, the abortion lobby isn't a thing)

[~RustyGunZ~]

Read the actual act instead of an article by a pro choice news source. It’s online. From the official site. It removes any harm or death of a child inside the womb at any point from being a victim of any crime. It’s made infancide by nondoctors a possible business, removed protections for a child in womb from assault and made it up to the medical boards to determine the criteria. It also allows mental health to be a reason to abort a child that would survive outside the womb. You’re a legit piece of shit if you support that and that’s just the facts.