Clinton vs Trump, who would you vote for if it comes down to this?

[uh-oh]

Veritas, no one would.

Objective word man. I feel you 1000 percent. We just disagree on the base level of how we feel the system should be run.

Firstly i am with you on the mental illness angle. Ive been diagnosed with depression and social anxiety after i went to a crisis center when i was unemployed. I paid nothing. It was all covered by the state/feds or whoever. I talked to a therapist who put me on lexapro and there medical doctor person lady prescribed blood pressure meds since it helps with anxiety. That was after one 20 minute talk. I went back twice for 45 minute therapy session things like talking and each time they upped my dosage, there was like a month inbetween each session. The third time i went they upped the lexapro again and tried putting me on another since none of that was working. I left, threw the pills out and firmly believe depression is make believe. Not in the sense that its not a chemical imbalance but in the sense that you cant just fix it on your own. I spent many a night just crying by myself in a dark room moments away from blowing my brains out. When your life is shit youre supposed to feel like shit. Im not saying your situation is the same. Im just relaying mine. I ended up just telling myself and pretending i was happy. And magically i was. I faked happiness into getting a job and with that job ive done all the things they tell you not to do. Isolate. Avoid people. Cut off friends and now ive legitimately never been happier. Every situation is different. Its not like america wont help people. They tried helping me. Theyll help you get a job and provide housing and all that to get you on your feet.

And thats cool for people, that system didnt help me tho, i had to help myself. The prospect of being homeless forced me to get my shit together.

Its darwinism. You do what you gotta do. If you dont you die.

Thats great that your country is willing to support its people and get them on track but personally in my beliefs i dont think some people should be helped. It weakens the species.

This is where im a shitty human tho. And ill acknowledge it. I dont want to see people suffer. But i can also look at it objectively from a scientific Standpoint.

Thats me tho

I dont want to see people like diode punished for his success even if he is stupid enough to be for it. I want diode to make the money he makes and keep it. I want him to knock his wife up and spread his genes because hes a hardworking dirtball from new jersey that made good.

There is a misconception in this country that you cant live off the minimum wage. And in certain areas that is true. Thats why im for making the minimum wage higher on a local basis, not federally. The minimum wage in ohio is enough for 1 human to support themselves. It isnt a great living. But you can pay your bills and house yourself. Which is all you should be able to do, it gives the incentive to work harder to make more money. I worked minimum wage at subway and the money was shit so i took on more hours and got promotions and shit to get more money and then got a better job altogether.

You shouldnt be able to support a family on minimum wage but again this is where im a shitty human. I dont think you should even be allowed to procreate unless you can support the kid.

I just dont like government. It shouldnt be there to intervene like that. It should literally only exist as a means of diplomacy with other nations and to protect its citizens from other nations. Not themselves.

Thats just my views tho.

[Objective]

Fuck, I'm on mobile now but I'll get back to you. I actually agree with several of your points. A person shouldn't be spoonfed either, the state and my therapist do push me quite a bit as well, and that is needed. Also, different things work for different people. The notion that you can only be happy with lots of friends and isolation sucks isn't right for everyone, blood is not thicker than water either imo. But yeah, I'll get back to you on this, interesting points and you're not a dirt person just cus you want to do things differently.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

Veritas, no one would.

So if it wouldn't work in your house, why would it work in a country?

[MC Fussy]

@uh-oh if you dont like gov vote turnip.


clinton a turncoat. talking about 'did i wipe the servers, do you mean with a cloth?' http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video...cloth-33165989 cmon son.



her whole team should be in jail already she aint even qualified.

swear nixon was the last nigga to face consequences

[Diablo]

lmao think of the lulz if Trump is elected though


DO IT FOR THE LULZ, MURRICA

[Pharaohs Army]

-Enjoy the show while it lasts; if it comes down to Trump vs. Hillary, there is 0%...read, ZERO percent chance Trump wins.
It's a numbers game really.
No matter how fervent or fired up middleaged-nativist-white people get, it's not enough to win the presidency.
Even his appeal to independents or the Anti-Hillary vote will not be close to "enough".
Keep in mind I've been right in the past on these sorts of political predictions. Well, it's not that hard to be right, let me rather say that I was right "early on".

-Trump is funny and entertaining to me most of the time, despite the lies he spews. I'll tell you right now he doesn't believe deep down a lot of what he's saying. He's trying to win the republican nomination, and he's doing a good job of it.

-I hate the religion of Islam, but have I've got nothing against Muslims... Think about it.

-Banning a religious group from emigrating is not realistic or lawful. Not gonna happen; don't worry about it.

-Sure, vet Syrians. Better safe than sorry. But they are desperate. Suffering the worst of human tragedies. Help them.
I'd say there is a much bigger likelihood that the next radical islamist attack on US soil will come from lone wolfs/internet recruits who are already here/already citizens.

-The UK legislature's publicity stunt was pretty laughable. The best thing they could have done to make their point would have been a public statement, which said "We welcome Donald Trump to our country with open arms." Instead they lower themselves to the same tactics they wish to condemn?

-Only way to stop illegal immigration is to punish employers who knowingly hire them. Hefty fines; possible jail terms for repeated violators.

-I could never put my finger on why I dislike Hillary. But I finally figured it out-- besides the inauthentic vibes she gives off... it's more than that. Her public speaking is way too scripted and pandering... And the tone and inflections she uses make it sound like she's addressing her audience as little kids...little children to cheer her speechwriter's concise jab or inspiring phrase. Makes me vomit in my mouth a lil' to hear her speeches.

-People, especially right-wing voters, are so stupid. Benghazi benghazi!!! Talk radio and faux news just continually repeat lies until they become pavlovian response for their sheep..

-Bernie Sanders policy suggestions?... not unrealistic from a funding perspective.. Fractions of a penny taxes for rampant speculation trading.. &forcing the largest tax-dodging corporations to take their money from tax havens and pay... But, yes, unrealistic from a Congress perspective. Don't see Dems winning the house due to gerrymandering and idiots who vote in right wing nuts...also the special interests/lobbyists who court both parties.

-It's almost a dream world we're living in, in this country. The Palin endorsement speech is pretty much a summation of what we've devolved into. And it's not all "our" fault. The public is looking for anything other than "the establishment", and celebrity certainly helps.

-Rubio is the smartest, most acute on policy, and most electable of the Repubes... but he doesn't even do his job in Congress. Absentee alot, even before he was campaigning.
Also, his policies would have us embroiled in more counterproductive wars in the middle east. "Zero daylight" with us and Isreal... lmao, he and Scott Walkers, well... most of their slogan.. Sad.
Oh, and if a girl got raped and impregnated by her Dad he would want her to carry the baby for 9 months.
He's got a better shot at winning the Rnomination than people think.. Cruz and Trump very popular but it's a long year... Trump has been invincible so far but his ego will get him into at least a little bit of trouble at some point before the general election

-Cruz is a weasel, a caricature, but he's good at what he does. 0% chance in the general election as well.

-If I lived in a state where it mattered, I'd probably vote for Sanders because I don't like Hillary and because he is voicing the problems of our fkd up system. But I'm in NY... Hillary. So my 1 vote is quite negligible. We'll see.

-Trump is so easily playing on (not just nativist sentiments), but fantasy sentiments of the good ol' days, when america was the shit and we did whatev we wanted, and before our Debt Economy and military industrial economy and paper/investment economy "caught up with us"...

-No matter who's running for president, a lot of people blame their problems on gays and brown people. A lot, but not enough to win nationwide elections.

-the president does not control the economy, stupid!, as Immortal Technique once said

-It is amazing to me that people do not understand the magnitude of the 07-08 WORLDWIDE financial collapse. I have no problems with Democrat claims that Obama made it "less bad" in the U.S.... I don't love the guy or all his policies, but I think that's true. Many people disagree with that; but if pressed I will provide actual data and facts for my claim, unlike them.

-The problem with the need for massive change and overhaul (money in politics, a calcified congress)...is that people are too busy trying to pay the bills and raise families. Too busy to stay afloat. They don't have time to organize or fight for these things.

-Any substantive policy discussions can be instantly ended by bringing up abortion, gays, or guns...

-Speaking of guns, that's a place where I align more with the right-wingers and Bernie over Hillary.
To think of suing a gun store for millions and ruining the owner's lives... because a dude used one of their guns in a massacre? Ludicrous.
There are already laws on the books. If they were negligent or gave the guy a gun when he shouldn't be allowed to have one-- then they will be sued/prosecuted..

-Certain factions of Liberals have pissed me off of late. It makes me see why some people get so frustrated with them... like.. guns, affirmative action, the ridiculous levels of PC, being offended, needing a certain quota of blacks to win fuckin movie awards or the sky is falling, nothing against gays but stop being flamboyant if you wanna be treated like everyone else..

-Why do we have so many "evangelicals" in this country?
They have big voter turnout; that is another problem in our country.
voting is a basic right though... we should be looking for more folks to vote instead of less.. Right, republicans?

-"Vote them ALLLL out.... then elect the craziest of the craziest Tea partiers,,, that'll help things... u know those rigid constitutionalists who have no ulterior social agendas. lol (sarc)

aight i'll shup now

[MC Fussy]

Originally Posted by Diablo

lmao think of the lulz if Trump is elected though


DO IT FOR THE LULZ, MURRICA

hilary vs trump is destiny. bernie is a dream/joke.

C.A.M.P.A.I.G.N. vote trump for the lulz. imma get stickers made



(but for real vote for palin)

[Dope girl]

Vote- Clinton

[Objective]

@Witty: I will, I never give up although it seems tough at times. You keep going too. :)
@uh-oh: Finally, some time but I think I actually managed to cover a lot with my previous reply as well. However: ''You shouldnt be able to support a family on minimum wage but again this is where im a shitty human. I dont think you should even be allowed to procreate unless you can support the kid.'' I... Agree. But two people on minimum wage should be able to do so with 37-40h/week, at least with 1 kid. If two people want to make it work with 1 of them being a stay at home mom/dad then you're in tough luck and it's time for the other to get a job as well. This means that things need to be set in place so daycares isn't crippling anyone's financial situation too much, flu shots and other obligatory vaccines taken in school should be free to everyone (don't know if they are in the states, but they are over here and fuck the anti-vaxxers). I do however agree with minimum wages should be locally or by state like you said, it makes the most sense with how the US works.

What I do not agree with is your statement of the state not intervening with how citizens deal with their lives. Why? Because I think it's crippling to a country to not make sure the citizens are having fulfilling lives as over time it'll go out on the economy and/or have negative effects on crime rates and so forth with people taking the ''easy route'' or easier fall into addiction since nothing else works anyways and they may not get the bump they need to get back to work to make money and pay enough taxes that can help out the countryin several meaningful ways when used properly. Free healthcare to a certain extent should be a no-brainer, and any expenses should be based on a persons income and how much they can actually pay. It shouldn't be unfair either to rich people so a decline in costs overall should be set in place, it needs to be balanced in some way as well. But only to a certain extent of course, people shouldn't feel like it's worth to do nothing and I believe there needs to be certain grounds that needs to be met in order to receive welfare like actively looking for a job, help with how to conduct a interview and write a meaningful CV or attending courses/studying to up their qualifications so they can get a job if they lack qualifications to meet those demands. Someone dealing with depression and/or not finding any reasons to live will not do well with a job at McDonalds or Home Depot if their passion lies within IT if nothing is set place to help them get out of that bump and get a job they're okay with. But there should be certain reasons set in place for that to happen.

I also don't like how a shitload of people get in serious debt and battling it for decades for chasing education. It should be motivating to go for, not life altering if they can't get a job the moment they get out of there.
In Norway you can get scholar ships or loans and start paying off your debt once you get a job. Usually the state help with 50% of the cost or 100% depending on what you're going for and at which school given that you don't fail. If you fail the promise of 100% coverage will be brought down to 0%. Even when you fail you start paying once you're having a job and pay it down with a percentage based on how much you earn. If your debt (no matter where it stems from) is so huge you can't even pay a small portion you can gather the parties along with an impartial financial advisor from the state involved and make a deal to pay down as much as you can within 5 years based on a percentage of how much you get from working, and when those 5 years have passed it's cleared so you can start from scratch again and have a future free of debt. If one of the parties doesn't want that, tough luck as the financial advisor will then focus on those willing to through such a deal, focus on them, leave the other one in the dark as it piles up and the debt will be cleared and removed from all systems anyways. Most people are willing to make a deal so they can get at least part of what they initially owe. Often people need to sell their house (if it makes sense and renting somewhere is cheaper), car (and exchange it with a cheaper one if it's needed to get to/from work and public transportation can't get them to where they work) and other items in order to help paying down that debt, the main focus is to get rid of it all. Don't know if that's how it works in the US but it makes sense to me.

I think Bernie Sanders is a great candidate because the most ludicrous things he want to get through with is probably something that'll never happen, while the things that'll help to balance things a bit more and turn things into the right direction will probably happen.

Either way, Hillary over Trump all day, every day. That guys is hands down dangerous and will inevitably ruin important ties you have now.

[YDK]

Vote r!can

[MC Fussy]

make puerto rico a state. rock the boat. rock the vote.
statehood for american samoa.
whatever.

[Objective]

Trump supporters, y'all agree with this shit?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...entions-221394

Just wondering. Thought this thread needed a revival after this.

[Blanco Bishop]

We fucked either way...

One tells u he would tear shit up

The other portrays democratic values but is responsible for massive amounts of deaths that have benefited her n her cronies pockets.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Objective

Trump supporters, y'all agree with this shit?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...entions-221394

Just wondering. Thought this thread needed a revival after this.

reading again they seem to be only touching on the torture aspects, not as much rules of engagement and shit. im not big on torture for the simple fact you can torture a person to say anything. for every bit of factual intel you get you're gonna get a load of malarkey. i'm a dummy citizen though so i don't really know how effective it could be.

when it comes to rules of engagement though just look throughout history for countless examples where being the "better" nation fails. from the "chivalry" times with knights being shredded by the "dishonorable" longbowmen, to the mongols and huns, and even before that to bc times, with roman infantry being slaughtered by parthians. going in expecting a battle where the lines meet, but they parthians just ride up to the heavy infantry of romans, pepper them with arrows and ride away firing more never engaging.

but again its stupid the "wars" we are in. we cant just ride in burn crops and houses. we can't indiscriminately kill a town etc.

reading caesars conquest of gaul for the bazillionth time, and just think about the fact that if you harbored militants he would burn your fields and town, and take all the people they didnt slaughter as slaves. in 2016 it seems terrible. but it was war. you have to deprive the enemy of its will to fight. we do the opposite, and give them more reasons to fight by trying to be tactical and just end up being inefficient.

there is no winning this war.

even look to vietnam, where america was BODYING vietcong. the body count was ridiculously in favor of america, but the images and horrors of war were broadcast, stories of innocent villages being burned got to the hippies and liberals, and when a people doesn't support a war the war is lost. we aren't so different from our ancient ancestors as everyone would like to think. genetically we are exactly the same. our social norms have changed sure, but if the softhearted in rome, the great britain empire, the spanish, french you name the conquerer if there people were shown the horrors of war the war machine would have lost all support.

thats why we are failing in all these conflicts. the people don't support them anymore.

george bush had support initially, we went to war with iraq itself to depose sadaam, and did so. there was bombing of cities. sieges of cities. everything that actually resembled war. now we use tactical strikes that resemble nothing precedented in history. its really a campaign of terror where if a drone strike doesn't kill you like a lightning bolt from zeus himself, a tactical squad will kick the door down to kill and capture a name off a list that only gets longer

ITS NONSENSE AT BEST MATE.

[Blanco Bishop]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

reading again they seem to be only touching on the torture aspects, not as much rules of engagement and shit. im not big on torture for the simple fact you can torture a person to say anything. for every bit of factual intel you get you're gonna get a load of malarkey. i'm a dummy citizen though so i don't really know how effective it could be.

when it comes to rules of engagement though just look throughout history for countless examples where being the "better" nation fails. from the "chivalry" times with knights being shredded by the "dishonorable" longbowmen, to the mongols and huns, and even before that to bc times, with roman infantry being slaughtered by parthians. going in expecting a battle where the lines meet, but they parthians just ride up to the heavy infantry of romans, pepper them with arrows and ride away firing more never engaging.

but again its stupid the "wars" we are in. we cant just ride in burn crops and houses. we can't indiscriminately kill a town etc.

reading caesars conquest of gaul for the bazillionth time, and just think about the fact that if you harbored militants he would burn your fields and town, and take all the people they didnt slaughter as slaves. in 2016 it seems terrible. but it was war. you have to deprive the enemy of its will to fight. we do the opposite, and give them more reasons to fight by trying to be tactical and just end up being inefficient.

there is no winning this war.

even look to vietnam, where america was BODYING vietcong. the body count was ridiculously in favor of america, but the images and horrors of war were broadcast, stories of innocent villages being burned got to the hippies and liberals, and when a people doesn't support a war the war is lost. we aren't so different from our ancient ancestors as everyone would like to think. genetically we are exactly the same. our social norms have changed sure, but if the softhearted in rome, the great britain empire, the spanish, french you name the conquerer if there people were shown the horrors of war the war machine would have lost all support.

thats why we are failing in all these conflicts. the people don't support them anymore.

george bush had support initially, we went to war with iraq itself to depose sadaam, and did so. there was bombing of cities. sieges of cities. everything that actually resembled war. now we use tactical strikes that resemble nothing precedented in history. its really a campaign of terror where if a drone strike doesn't kill you like a lightning bolt from zeus himself, a tactical squad will kick the door down to kill and capture a name off a list that only gets longer

ITS NONSENSE AT BEST MATE.

Ur not getting the point bro.

To these motherfuckers war is not a moral issue.
War is big business.
These neo cons don't give a fuck about ideology. All that is just a front.
Point blank. If we dont address this industrialized military complex, America will always "be at war."
They just keep renaming the enemy.
Communists, Taliban, al quada, ISIS, etc....

[PancakeBrah]

Trump is a candidate for extremely stupid and extremely pseud people. Any change, or disruption, you think he represents is ridiculous. He's a hack opportunist. Hillary is a shit but at least she knows what the fuck nukes are meant for. Trump's outward persona is blustery ignorance for a very specific, drilled in audience. Dumb people think he actually could make them rich. Pseud people think he's chaos, an atom bomb perfectly formed that will make all those "crooked politicians' realize the "people" won't stand for "this shit" any longer(!!!(HAHA!)). By himself, in a room alone, he's a fucking little person with insecurities that dominate any other thought. He's a poor businessman running on the momentum of his reputation as business man. He's a man hopelessly trying to understand anything about politics running as an outsider. He's a man who's shocked he won the primary who carries a constituent that loves him only because he's shocked by nothing. He's a fucking morning radio shock jock, given a bigger platform. He's already planted the seeds for the excuses of his loss, he doesn't even want this. And if he somehow got the presidency he would either do ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE THINGS his base thinks he will do (while talking dope ass, nothing ass State of the Unions with a team of hairsprayers working active team, on screen) or he'll nuke some fuck ass country like Trinidad and Tobago because their 3rd highest ranking official subtweeted him. What's hilarious is that if the Republicans had just figured out a way to get a normal fucking human being with political knowledge into the primary, and she/he'd won, they would have won by a fuckton LANDSLIDE against Hillary.

Trump forever faggot. I hope his loss fuels his ridiculous insecurities to the point he joins this site and starts writing fucking Open Mics.

[Aero]

Originally Posted by PancakeBrah

Trump is a candidate for extremely stupid and extremely pseud people. Any change, or disruption, you think he represents is ridiculous. He's a hack opportunist. Hillary is a shit but at least she knows what the fuck nukes are meant for. Trump's outward persona is blustery ignorance for a very specific, drilled in audience. Dumb people think he actually could make them rich. Pseud people think he's chaos, an atom bomb perfectly formed that will make all those "crooked politicians' realize the "people" won't stand for "this shit" any longer(!!!(HAHA!)). By himself, in a room alone, he's a fucking little person with insecurities that dominate any other thought. He's a poor businessman running on the momentum of his reputation as business man. He's a man hopelessly trying to understand anything about politics running as an outsider. He's a man who's shocked he won the primary who carries a constituent that loves him only because he's shocked by nothing. He's a fucking morning radio shock jock, given a bigger platform. He's already planted the seeds for the excuses of his loss, he doesn't even want this. And if he somehow got the presidency he would either do ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE THINGS his base thinks he will do (while talking dope ass, nothing ass State of the Unions with a team of hairsprayers working active team, on screen) or he'll nuke some fuck ass country like Trinidad and Tobago because their 3rd highest ranking official subtweeted him. What's hilarious is that if the Republicans had just figured out a way to get a normal fucking human being with political knowledge into the primary, and she/he'd won, they would have won by a fuckton LANDSLIDE against Hillary.

Trump forever faggot. I hope his loss fuels his ridiculous insecurities to the point he joins this site and starts writing fucking Open Mics.

All facts.

[I <3 DICK PT.2]

Lol I'm starting to like you Dancake

[uh-oh]

not a trump "supporter" yet i agree whole heartedly. the problem is we aren't at WAR. these are weirdo conflicts where we invade sovereign nations to fight groups within that nation, and not the nation itself.

i'm all for civilians not being rounded up and slaughtered, or just killed recklessly and non descript like. these conflicts become ridiculous because of that fact. we aren't at war with afghanistan, iraq, syria, libya, yemen pakistan you name it. we're at war with "radicals" within these nations

if we weren't restricted by all this nonsense, i don't think we would be there. it would lead to us actually leaving

i dont know though, i've talked with veterans and the shit is fucked. dude i worked with for a little whiles base was attacked in afghanistan. giant truck pulled up and blew the place up at the gates, his bunk/barracks or what have you was near enough that the concussive force fucked him. other than being blinky and twitchy he seemed well enough, but he was talking about when they went out ranging and shit they would see hostiles up in the hills running from them, they would be carrying munitions, clear as day, but not engaging them, so they were ordered to follow and basically wait until they shot at them, when they came up on top of a hill there was a hut and a little farming area and there was like 7, 20 year old afghan men, no women or children anywhere, all pretending to be hoe-ing the ground, they were compliant and after a search of the hut they found ak's and all that shit, to which they pleaded ignorance to, and said someone put it there. they took the weapons, but had to leave them be.

they watched them run away with weapons were ordered to follow, found the weapons and had to leave them be. thats nonsense. everything has to be relayed through radio with superiors before doing anything, with the exception of them being shot at. how retarded is that. those dudes lived to fight another day, and probably killed americans/english/canadians whoever else is out there. couldve been murked running away up a hill.

thats why if they didnt have to come under the scrutiny for every round they fire progress could actually be made.

the difference is they are at WAR with INVADERS. we are at "war" with an ideology. its stupid.

i'm in favor of getting out, and when we do declare war, its actual war. there is a reason we firebombed japan. there is a reason we nuked japan. we were at war with the nation, and what is a nation if it isn't the people? war is killing people. if we become so advanced that our militaries are literal robots, do you think we would send our robots to kill their robots?

ITS FUCKING WAR

[PancakeBrah]

Good article for those with the attention span for it

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...insane/485570/