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[Amen]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Then you are a shitty believer
Period.
And you don’t actually believe in the whole thing
So you just pick and choose what you want to believe
Surely god would find that admirable...

This is true, however - I still believe in him as a child believes in Ol' St. Nicholas.

It's just the traveling in one night, all over the world that is always questionable.

As far as God setting up evolution, possible but we will never know the truth in our life time, I'm sure.

[Destroyer]

And to Veritas, there’s not just two options, Darwinian evolution and god. There’s billions of possibilities that could be when looking at it with a complete lack of knowledge about it. I mean we live what an average of 65 years and are attempting to make sense of billions of years of time. It seems like a pointless pursuit. But, stop acting like I’m some proponent for Darwinism. That theory, while possibly the most likely at this time, is full of holes too.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

And to Veritas, there’s not just two options, Darwinian evolution and god. There’s billions of possibilities that could be when looking at it with a complete lack of knowledge about it. I mean we live what an average of 65 years and are attempting to make sense of billions of years of time. It seems like a pointless pursuit. But, stop acting like I’m some proponent for Darwinism. That theory, while possibly the most likely at this time, is full of holes too.

This is proof of your intellectual evolution and I appreciate your honesty. I am happy, Jude.

I feel you. I am saying that those are the two main things we are given. We have to investigate what we are given.

Other fringe theories still go back to an initial creator or an evolution yes?

Ie aliens seeded the planet...where did thy come from.

This is a simulation....who programmed it?

[veritas]

Christianity teaches evolution, just not how you think. I am surprised people miss it. That is why when I say I am an evolutionist and a Christian it throws people. And no I do not mean it as Dre does.

[Destroyer]

All of those questions are valid. I just don’t think anyone has now or will ever have those answers. I also, am comfortable in life not knowing. I choose to live as what I believe is a good person and I’m confident that if there is some god overseeing and judging my life, he will be ok with that.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

All of those questions are valid. I just don’t think anyone has now or will ever have those answers. I also, am comfortable in life not knowing. I choose to live as what I believe is a good person and I’m confident that if there is some god overseeing and judging my life, he will be ok with that.

This is a contradiction, Jude. Do you see it?

[Plot]

Sorry for butting in here..
But I dont understand this obsession everyone has with an origin story,
a beginning, why are we here, where did it all come from shit.
...
I think some of you are afraid of infinity, because its really hard to comprehend.
The universe has probably always existed and always will in infinte complexity.
...
I know your aware of the size of Earth compared to Jupiter, the Sun other distant stars.
We can see atoms through complicated microscopes, some that consist of thousands of
electrons or something spinning about. These electrons must have being, surfaces be composed of stuff.
...
The universe is infintely complicated, whos to say it ever began.

[Ghost1]

Originally Posted by Plot

Sorry for butting in here..
But I dont understand this obsession everyone has with an origin story,
a beginning, why are we here, where did it all come from shit.
...
I think some of you are afraid of infinity, because its really hard to comprehend.
The universe has probably always existed and always will in infinte complexity.
...
I know your aware of the size of Earth compared to Jupiter, the Sun other distant stars.
We can see atoms through complicated microscopes, some that consist of thousands of
electrons or something spinning about. These electrons must have being, surfaces be composed of stuff.
...
The universe is infintely complicated, whos to say it ever began.

science has almost overwhelmingly proven there was a beginning and thermodynamics has proven it has an ending

was no need to post all those words. stop drinking urself into an early grave.

[For Battling]

FYI evolution is a theory that was introduced by the devil in order to confuse and mislead.

[Ghost1]

an amen id encourage u to study what it is u think u believe in because u sound lost my guy

no shots or jabs......just doesnt sound like u have established a strong foundation for the belief system u are operating with

u cant believe in Darwinian evolution AND the Hebrew creator God Yahwey

they directly contradict eachother. you can do some maneuvering and rationalizing to try and create an amalgamation of the two but then you have something different.

which is fine if that's what you believe to be true.........but that is not the catholic ideology that you are claiming and worshipping in church every sunday.

believing in god like santa clause ..... like god is an archetype or a symbol .... is going to be incredibly difficult if you cant come to terms with the claims of creation as factual history

none of us think santa is "real" in the sense that he actually exists as anything other than a tradition or symbol for Christmas ... so while we can still enjoy the concept and it is real in a metaphysical sense ull never be able to truly claim genuine belief in santa because u believe he is fake....but believe that carrying on the tradition has value....regardless of whether or not he exists in reality.

if your only conception of God is a man made system of moral traditions built to enrich the lives of people in society how can u ever justify god as an objective reality>?

[Amen]

Originally Posted by Ghost1

an amen id encourage u to study what it is u think u believe in because u sound lost my guy

no shots or jabs......just doesnt sound like u have established a strong foundation for the belief system u are operating with

u cant believe in Darwinian evolution AND the Hebrew creator God Yahwey

they directly contradict eachother. you can do some maneuvering and rationalizing to try and create an amalgamation of the two but then you have something different.

which is fine if that's what you believe to be true.........but that is not the catholic ideology that you are claiming and worshipping in church every sunday.

believing in god like santa clause ..... like god is an archetype or a symbol .... is going to be incredibly difficult if you cant come to terms with the claims of creation as factual history

none of us think santa is "real" in the sense that he actually exists as anything other than a tradition or symbol for Christmas ... so while we can still enjoy the concept and it is real in a metaphysical sense ull never be able to truly claim genuine belief in santa because u believe he is fake....but believe that carrying on the tradition has value....regardless of whether or not he exists in reality.

if your only conception of God is a man made system of moral traditions built to enrich the lives of people in society how can u ever justify god as an objective reality>?

Yea, what it boils down to is me actually finding the time to dig deep. I think in all honesty - my beliefs are forced only because as a child I was raised in a very religious home with family who are and still current bible freaks. So I think it's just because it's always been routine, I still continue to force myself for to the kids. As far as Santa, it was an analogy comparing my beliefs with god as a child believes in Santa. I believe in god but question the whole he created everything out of nothing as a child will always ask - how does he travel the world in one night type of thing. It is only when they get older they realize, he doesn't exist and the shit is made up. However, as a child I never questioned the theory of GOD's creation. It's when I got older and started to realize religion and science negate one another.

But word, you may be right about the whole lost thing. Or just maybe I should stop forcing myself and actually look in to something, IDK. Seems like a true commitment I am not ready to take.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Amen

Yea, what it boils down to is me actually finding the time to dig deep. I think in all honesty - my beliefs are forced only because as a child I was raised in a very religious home with family who are and still current bible freaks. So I think it's just because it's always been routine, I still continue to force myself for to the kids. As far as Santa, it was an analogy comparing my beliefs with god as a child believes in Santa. I believe in god but question the whole he created everything out of nothing as a child will always ask - how does he travel the world in one night type of thing. It is only when they get older they realize, he doesn't exist and the shit is made up. However, as a child I never questioned the theory of GOD's creation. It's when I got older and started to realize religion and science negate one another.

But word, you may be right about the whole lost thing. Or just maybe I should stop forcing myself and actually look in to something, IDK. Seems like a true commitment I am not ready to take.

What hold you back from being ready, Dre?

[Amen]

Not sure, tbch. Maybe the commitment? IDK, really.

[~RustyGunZ~]

you guys are really nailing some points on religion and shit that you've never done before

so fun to read, def what the site needs

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Knucklehead

you guys are really nailing some points on religion and shit that you've never done before

so fun to read, def what the site needs

Yeah, you should probably make another thread about how great you are at everything

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Yeah, you should probably make another thread about how great you are at everything

It would be better than another religious debate, that's for sure

[For Battling]

Originally Posted by Knucklehead

you guys are really nailing some points on religion and shit that you've never done before

so fun to read, def what the site needs

[Ghost1]

well if its something youre teaching your children id probably say that alone should motivate you to genuinely research the matter so you can feel confident that youre teaching your children something that you believe in whole heartedly .... and in turn don't leave them in the same position youre in.

[Amen]

That's true, but I'm not teaching them. I'm allowing the CCD classes to do that for me.

I hardly ever speak religious stuff with them only because my position as a believer/non believer - if that makes any sense.

I think that would be wrong, if I did considering I'm not a firm believer.

But you're right, man.

What's your position? I see you read a lot of religious type of books? Just curious to know your position? Is that why you read those types of the books? As in searching for meaning and what not? Or do you just enjoy reading that genre?

[veritas]

You are married yes? That would testify against your fear of commitment. Maybe it is something else?