HW Boxing

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Originally Posted by ACTIVATE SELF

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Not that I disagree. It's just that he must be doing something right to keep winning the way that he has been. He's not exactly fighting scrubs either. Because a lot of the opponents he's beaten have had many of the skills and techniques that he lacks, but at the end of the day still can't do anything with the guy once they get inside that square circle and the bell goes ding.

I just think if he was only a "slugger" he would have been exposed a long time ago. Joshua is widely considered the best HW in the world right now and I have tremdous respect for the guy, but truth be told if he and Wilder lined em up today, I'd put my money on DW.

So if the best can't beat him or are too scared to even fight him, than how he's not the best at what he does? Their is a sweet science to boxing. No doubt about it. There is however, also a saying known as 'the exception to the rule'; and after 40 straight victories I think Deontay maybe just that. The "exception". At least until proven otherwise.

I got Wilder as well. However, if it were to go the distance - AJ would win only because AJ is a technical boxer. Technical boxers ALWAYS win unless KO'D. which has been DW' s case. Like I said, he has natural KO power that hasn't been seen since Mike Tyson in his prime. Different is, Tyson was a boxer with technical talent and speed. DW's barely quick on the snap and faints just to open up for the right hand. Did you not watch this last fight? Ortiz was handling him. DW won only 2 rounds... Ortiz was out boxing him.

[ACTIVATE SELF]

Originally Posted by Amen

I got Wilder as well. However, if it were to go the distance - AJ would win only because AJ is a technical boxer. Technical boxers ALWAYS win unless KO'D. which has been DW' s case. Like I said, he has natural KO power that hasn't been seen since Mike Tyson in his prime. Different is, Tyson was a boxer with technical talent and speed. DW's barely quick on the snap and faints just to open up for the right hand. Did you not watch this last fight? Ortiz was handling him. DW won only 2 rounds... Ortiz was out boxing him.

Fair assessment. Now let me read through Clout's discertation to see what his counters were. lol.

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Originally Posted by Amen

Technical boxers ALWAYS win unless KO'D.

So what happens when two technical boxers fight each other, and neither is KO'd? Do both win?

Your post is dumb as cheese.

There are just so many intangibles and variables, beyond skills and talent, that nobody can truly predict the outcome of a fight.

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Originally Posted by sraL

So what happens when two technical boxers fight each other, and neither is KO'd? Do both win?

Your post is dumb as cheese.

There are just so many intangibles and variables, beyond skills and talent, that nobody can truly predict the outcome of a fight.

It goes to the judges you dumb fuck. And the MORE technical fighter WINS.

stick to soccer bro.

Why do you think Canelo was able to draw GGG. BECAUSE he's more of a technical fighter and knows what points to go after to sway judges.

[ACTIVATE SELF]

Originally Posted by sraL

So what happens when two technical boxers fight each other, and neither is KO'd? Do both win?

Your post is dumb as cheese.

There are just so many intangibles and variables, beyond skills and talent, that nobody can truly predict the outcome of a fight.

Well, Iron Mike once famously answered that question by saying, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the [muthafuckin] mouth”.

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Originally Posted by ACTIVATE SELF

Well, Iron Mike once famously answered that question by saying, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the [muthafuckin] mouth”.

Mike Tyson was a phenomenal fighter man. Drugs and Don King ruined him.

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Originally Posted by ACTIVATE SELF

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Not that I disagree. It's just that he must be doing something right to keep winning the way that he has been. He's not exactly fighting scrubs either. Because a lot of the opponents he's beaten have had many of the skills and techniques that he lacks, but at the end of the day still can't do anything with the guy once they get inside that square circle and the bell goes ding.

I just think if he was only a "slugger" he would have been exposed a long time ago. Joshua is widely considered the best HW in the world right now and I have tremdous respect for the guy, but truth be told if he and Wilder lined em up today, I'd put my money on DW.

So if the best can't beat him or are too scared to even fight him, than how he's not the best at what he does? Their is a sweet science to boxing. No doubt about it. There is however, also a saying known as 'the exception to the rule'; and after 40 straight victories I think Deontay maybe just that. The "exception". At least until proven otherwise.

Styles make fights. Wilder is everything wrong for joshua. Let me explain

Watch a recent joshua fight (dilian whyte, Takam, Klitchko)

He tires super super fast to the point he is bound to collapse. This is because

1. Just watch his stance, hes constantly tense like he's trying to get all his muscles to pop up veiny for cameras like a photo shoot. If your that tense at all times you will tire fucking FAST!

2. The way he punches isn't correct tbh, Some of his shots are done with perfect form. But from his high guard stance? he is tense and pushes his shots like he is doing a single arm dumbell speed benchpress ya know what i mean? If you can visual that as you watch him jab or throw his straight right. Its very pushy less snappy. its like he is front deltoid/pec dominant. Where as most snap it from the feet/waist/shoulder rotation as one fluid movement. Ur using ur bodies kinetic motion to generate velocity/torque. Power (Deontay) vs Strength (Joshua) Power is fast and explosive. Strength is a slow progressing brute force type of movement. You can clear see it just watching how they throw shots.

3. Joshua has just too much mass on his frame which tires him out. It requires alot of calories (energy) to sustain that. Plus the high punch out put and constant movement (cardio) of a boxing match is bad for muscle bound guys.

4. Joshua is technically sound? oh fuck yea but super slow/fatigues easially. Wilder is Super fast and Herky jerky like. He has quick hand speed and godlike punching power. Joshua will look like Danny Garcia at times when he was fighting Keith thurman. Just hesitating and waiting as Wilder Got off and only throw a few shots here an there.

5. Wilder is super agile, doesn't tire as easialy as AJ. he has plenty of fights above 7 rounds where he is clearly not tired. Ortiz really gave him a fucking dog fight thats why he was tired. He has Snappy shots and yes he does have clubbing thudding shots too. But he snaps his jab beautifully and when he throws his right hand straight down the pipe? its a dream. Joshua isn't good at cutting the ring off. Wilder utilizes every inch of the ring he is a mover for sure. At times over does it..

6. AJ is gun shy that is the biggest downfall b/c he is chinny not amir khan chinny but yea he is honestly chinny...speed can be countered by AJs impeccable timing. He has great power but its more of a strong man/weightlifting power. It doesn't carry into late rounds in tough fights. Where wilders is just raw uncut god given athletic punching power. He is always capable of knocking you at any point an time. AJ needs to have his lungs about him before he can really thud his power around.

6. Joshua even tho i love the guy is super chinny. He has been knocked out like 4 times as an amateur once by Dillian whyte. Who he beat as a pro! Ko'd twice confirmed by David price by joshuas own admission in sparring. I believe he was ko'd by Klitchko as was wilder in sparring. But joshua has been visibly on the cusp of being ko'd a few times as a pro. Where it took an esteemed cuban southpaw of great boxing prowess and good punching power to do that to deontay!

7. Deontay CARRIES HIS POWER FROM ROUND1 TO ROUND 12! Joshua isn't able to do that. But then again joshua doesn't need to because why netcee-gs? THE NIGGA CAN BOX - GOLD MEDALIST SWAG YO. he can box your ears off or get you out of there.

This match is 50/50 due to joshuas RING IQ/Skill Set & Wilders athleticism & super hero punch power. But joshua has terrible stamina doesn't carry his power late into rounds like wilder can. Isn't fast of foot or hand like wilder is. But he can time wilder and counter him early and KO him. BAsically the longer the fight goes on the more wilder is likely to win. Joshua is more dangerous round 1-5 rounds. After that Wilder is at an advantage. Cus is power is always there & his speed is always there. Joshua has looked rough in his last 3 matches damn near collapsing and letting his hands drop due to fatigue.

[ACTIVATE SELF]

Originally Posted by Clout

Styles make fights. Wilder is everything wrong for joshua. Let me explain

Watch a recent joshua fight (dilian whyte, Takam, Klitchko)

He tires super super fast to the point he is bound to collapse. This is because

1. Just watch his stance, hes constantly tense like he's trying to get all his muscles to pop up veiny for cameras like a photo shoot. If your that tense at all times you will tire fucking FAST!

2. The way he punches isn't correct tbh, Some of his shots are done with perfect form. But from his high guard stance? he is tense and pushes his shots like he is doing a single arm dumbell speed benchpress ya know what i mean? If you can visual that as you watch him jab or throw his straight right. Its very pushy less snappy. its like he is front deltoid/pec dominant. Where as most snap it from the feet/waist/shoulder rotation as one fluid movement. Ur using ur bodies kinetic motion to generate velocity/torque. Power (Deontay) vs Strength (Joshua) Power is fast and explosive. Strength is a slow progressing brute force type of movement. You can clear see it just watching how they throw shots.

3. Joshua has just too much mass on his frame which tires him out. It requires alot of calories (energy) to sustain that. Plus the high punch out put and constant movement (cardio) of a boxing match is bad for muscle bound guys.

4. Joshua is technically sound? oh fuck yea but super slow/fatigues easially. Wilder is Super fast and Herky jerky like. He has quick hand speed and godlike punching power. Joshua will look like Danny Garcia at times when he was fighting Keith thurman. Just hesitating and waiting as Wilder Got off and only throw a few shots here an there.

5. Wilder is super agile, doesn't tire as easialy as AJ. he has plenty of fights above 7 rounds where he is clearly not tired. Ortiz really gave him a fucking dog fight thats why he was tired. He has Snappy shots and yes he does have clubbing thudding shots too. But he snaps his jab beautifully and when he throws his right hand straight down the pipe? its a dream. Joshua isn't good at cutting the ring off. Wilder utilizes every inch of the ring he is a mover for sure. At times over does it..

6. AJ is gun shy that is the biggest downfall b/c he is chinny not amir khan chinny but yea he is honestly chinny...speed can be countered by AJs impeccable timing. He has great power but its more of a strong man/weightlifting power. It doesn't carry into late rounds in tough fights. Where wilders is just raw uncut god given athletic punching power. He is always capable of knocking you at any point an time. AJ needs to have his lungs about him before he can really thud his power around.

6. Joshua even tho i love the guy is super chinny. He has been knocked out like 4 times as an amateur once by Dillian whyte. Who he beat as a pro! Ko'd twice confirmed by David price by joshuas own admission in sparring. I believe he was ko'd by Klitchko as was wilder in sparring. But joshua has been visibly on the cusp of being ko'd a few times as a pro. Where it took an esteemed cuban southpaw of great boxing prowess and good punching power to do that to deontay!

7. Deontay CARRIES HIS POWER FROM ROUND1 TO ROUND 12! Joshua isn't able to do that. But then again joshua doesn't need to because why netcee-gs? THE NIGGA CAN BOX - GOLD MEDALIST SWAG YO. he can box your ears off or get you out of there.

This match is 50/50 due to joshuas RING IQ/Skill Set & Wilders athleticism & super hero punch power. But joshua has terrible stamina doesn't carry his power late into rounds like wilder can. Isn't fast of foot or hand like wilder is. But he can time wilder and counter him early and KO him. BAsically the longer the fight goes on the more wilder is likely to win. Joshua is more dangerous round 1-5 rounds. After that Wilder is at an advantage. Cus is power is always there & his speed is always there. Joshua has looked rough in his last 3 matches damn near collapsing and letting his hands drop due to fatigue.

Well, you're basically saying everything I'm too lazy to type right now, and doing it in a much more knowledgeable (and researched) way than I would normally put it. Can't really disagree with any of the above.

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AJ gonna be avoiding that Wilder fight for some time

I just hate watching him fight no named fights to get a cheque

It actually annoys me somewhat even though I completely understand why his team would do it lol

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Originally Posted by sraL

AJ gonna be avoiding that Wilder fight for some time

I just hate watching him fight no named fights to get a cheque

It actually annoys me somewhat even though I completely understand why his team would do it lol

Exactly he is making 20 million per fight? not including gate/revenue (correct me if im wrong, will rep!) You can't blame him as a man with a child to feed. But he is more afraid of taking drug tests imo. Cause wilder pays extra for his opponents to be tested.

Im not one to be a douche and call everyone a roider. But ill say this Klitchko who was 8lbs lighter than Joshua on their fight night was caught juicing as an amateur. If you seen Joshua as an amature he wasn't as big as he is now. it just seems very suspicious plus he doesnt get tested and you dont hear about AJ fights being under strict drug protocol for a reason..

Just had to vent that one, i like Aj but man i just dont think he is "clean" im not saying he is taking bodybuilder cycles mind you. But he is on something. Why else dont you have VADA testing you year round like they do wilder, ggg, ect.

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Originally Posted by Clout

Exactly he is making 20 million per fight? not including gate/revenue (correct me if im wrong, will rep!) You can't blame him as a man with a child to feed. But he is more afraid of taking drug tests imo. Cause wilder pays extra for his opponents to be tested.

Im not one to be a douche and call everyone a roider. But ill say this Klitchko who was 8lbs lighter than Joshua on their fight night was caught juicing as an amateur. If you seen Joshua as an amature he wasn't as big as he is now. it just seems very suspicious plus he doesnt get tested and you dont hear about AJ fights being under strict drug protocol for a reason..

Just had to vent that one, i like Aj but man i just dont think he is "clean" im not saying he is taking bodybuilder cycles mind you. But he is on something. Why else dont you have VADA testing you year round like they do wilder, ggg, ect.

I think the £23mill is split bro, pretty sure Parker gets like 33% of that 23mill for the fight you know

that's still a heck of a lot of money though no doubt

[ACTIVATE SELF]

@Clout

I'm gonna start calling you Howard Cosell.

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Originally Posted by ACTIVATE SELF

@Clout

I'm gonna start calling you Howard Cosell.

That's an honor sir.

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BTW; DW got 2.1 million while LO got 500,000.

Winning purse.

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@Clout - I agree with most of what you said but you are basically co-signing my argument of DW not being a technical fighter lol. Regardless of weight, DW hardly threw ANY punches and was gassed by round 4, lol.

"He needs to learn how this and that" - exactly my point. He's not a good technical boxer. He's a slugger and a sloppy one at that. Just look at every KO how aggressive he is and opens himself up.

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Originally Posted by Amen

@Clout - I agree with most of what you said but you are basically co-signing my argument of DW not being a technical fighter lol. Regardless of weight, DW hardly threw ANY punches and was gassed by round 4, lol.

"He needs to learn how this and that" - exactly my point. He's not a good technical boxer. He's a slugger and a sloppy one at that. Just look at every KO how aggressive he is and opens himself up.

Well yea i did cosign that remeber i have a post saying deontay SUCKS AT "BOXING' AKA THE SWEET SCIENCE lol oh yea your spot on the money man.

Its his athleticism/power that make him what he is.

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LOL I know way more about boxing than you

bet your life on that

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Originally Posted by sraL

LOL I know way more about boxing than you

bet your life on that

FOH...

You probably have never trained a day in your life dude... Get real.

Only mother fuckers who can even engage with me in regards to boxing is @Clout and @big baby they know their shit... And train, at least I know Clout does... Don't know about big baby but think he's trained at some point or a Google wizard .

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Originally Posted by Amen

FOH...

You probably have never trained a day in your life dude... Get real.

Only mother fuckers who can even engage with me in regards to boxing is @Clout and @big baby they know their shit... And train, at least I know Clout does... Don't know about big baby but think he's trained at some point or a Google wizard .

Ur tyson comment is truly 100% correct. Tyson was no longer iron mic prime tyson after D'mato died. The buster douglas fight? tyson didn't even have a six pack he was chubby and drug tests say he had weed & cocaine in him after the fight. He was no longer in his prime he was drugged up and surrounded by YES MEN as they call it.

HAd Cus'dmato been 30 years younger. I think Tyson legacy would've been something unheard of. From Muhamad ali's own mouth he said tyson in his prime would've beaten him. That speaks volumes, but like tyson fury - Mike was his own worst enemy. He beat himself before his opponents beat him cus of the life style choices he was making!

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Fury would take both of them apart.