NBA Finals: Spurs vs. Heat - Page 5

PancakeBrah · 06-13-2014, 12:04 PM

Yawn

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 12:12 PM

Parlay pickup games against Pakistanian refugees into expert analytics

Just stop skip

You have no real life experience s

PancakeBrah · 06-13-2014, 12:13 PM

Yawn

Certain · 06-13-2014, 12:15 PM

Derek Fisher used to be what Mario Chalmers is now, except he never was criticized to the same degree.

oats · 06-13-2014, 01:21 PM

Fisher made some undeniably clutch shots, but overall he was a weak link

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 01:32 PM

Avg around 10 to 13 pts per game in his prime

Shooting mid 30s from deep

Assists were low obv because kobe too much iso..n shaq

But imho he wadnt below avg. Id say he was average

Let.me.put things into.perspective

SMUSH PARKER
ERIC SNOW
HOWARD EISLEY
CHUCKY ATKINS

mebe Avery johnson

Those r below avg pgs

K?

Certain · 06-13-2014, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Attack of the Muff

Avg around 10 to 13 pts per game in his prime

Shooting mid 30s from deep

Assists were low obv because kobe too much iso..n shaq

But imho he wadnt below avg. Id say he was average

Overrated defender who never once topped a 15 PER and didn't actually hit that many big shots, all told, but instead hit a couple truly memorable ones only because Kobe Bryant trusted him because they came in together. And almost no team starts a point guard who averages 11 points and four assists a game. And Fisher's numbers barely improved with the Warriors and Jazz.

He was not average. He was not the 15th best point guard in the NBA ever.

None of that says anything about his coaching, though.

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 01:51 PM

Compare him to.other 90s pgs during his time though.

Not many stick out tbh.

Im not arguing that he was good..in the grand scheme of things he was ok.

All im saying. I could pick like 10 that were worse

Dfish isnt a traditional pg..that offense didnt require much facilitation frm him

Certain I dont come from the bill simmons school of thought..too many intangibles affecting his per

oats · 06-13-2014, 01:57 PM

I agree with certain, though I'd be interested to see the disparity (if there is any) between his season and playoff stats.

PancakeBrah · 06-13-2014, 01:57 PM

Wow @ intangibles in PER

Lmao

Just.

Wow.

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 01:59 PM

Why are you guys acting like PER surefire way to rate efficiency?

-bruce bowen had single digit per his whole career

BUT HES BELOW AVG

Cake there are many analysts who can give a fuckless about PER

PancakeBrah · 06-13-2014, 02:04 PM

I'm at work so I can't go in full detail on how asinine your arguments are but naming slush parker/Eric snow to make your point that fisher was average is horribly flawed. Those are below replacement level players. Just because fisher is better than them doesn't mean he's average, at all.

It'd be like me saying Mark Sanchez is average because he's not Ryan Leaf.

PER is 100% tangible. Its all number driven
Its not perfect by any means but its referenced, used, and long standing for a reason. It has its flaws; it is only for valuating offense (defensive metrics, like in baseball, have lagged far behind offensive metrics but strides are being made) and it favors certain types of players. But Fisher is a minus defensive player so his PER is reflective of his ability. What's funny is you're using intangibles (made a big shot, type of system he was in, etc) and saying PER is too intangible. Do you know what PER is? Do you know what intangible means?

Also, you said he was better than 10 pgs of his era (a claim that may or may not be correct). Which would make him...below average.

Just get it together. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 02:11 PM

its not a surefire way of rating efficiency cake

Chill out. Extinguish the fire frpm under ypur ass

Bruce bowens.per is single digits yet hes not below avg rigjt?

HOLLINGERS PER IS NOT UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED GUY

have u seen first take

PancakeBrah · 06-13-2014, 02:14 PM

Reread my post and try again. Thanks.

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Pancake

Reread my post and try again. Thanks.

All im saying is you shouldn't use PER to justify your argument because its flawed.

Bruce bowen is a defensive player (per making strides) I saw all that...

WHY ARE YOU ESPOUSING PER AS SUM DORT OF TEMPLATE FOR WHAT MAKES A GREAT PLAYER

stop contradict ing yourself

There has been a long standing debate about per..n the fact your oblivipus to it furthermore reinfirces my.point

Armchair basketbsll ass nigga

RD McFly · 06-13-2014, 02:15 PM

Leonard and Diaw taking all pressure off Manu, Duncan and Parker...the offense is too efficient and the defense is playing ball. Where is Beasley? Heat's offense is painful to watch.

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 02:31 PM

So we can agree u need to stfu with PER

I used the word intangible wrong. Wowee

Everything else is subjective is it not?

Ok

Finito

I think he was avg. You think he was below

Just dont bring up per again

Would u.like me to.name 15 pgs during 90s that were worse

El Muffin · 06-13-2014, 03:10 PM

Ok.

I looked.up derek fisher.most prolific season n compared him with starting pgs during that same yr

Only.found around 11 that I would say hes better than
@El Pancake

You are right. Hes below avg

My apologies

PancakeBrah · 06-13-2014, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Attack of the Muff

Ok.

I looked.up derek fisher.most prolific season n compared him with starting pgs during that same yr

Only.found around 11 that I would say hes better than
@El Pancake

You are right. Hes below avg

My apologies

Respect

Inno · 06-13-2014, 03:10 PM

heat win 3 in a row

bron averages 30 a game.

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oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	Fisher made some undeniably clutch shots, but overall he was a weak link __________________ You should be water

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El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,690 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230535	Avg around 10 to 13 pts per game in his prime Shooting mid 30s from deep Assists were low obv because kobe too much iso..n shaq But imho he wadnt below avg. Id say he was average Let.me.put things into.perspective SMUSH PARKER ERIC SNOW HOWARD EISLEY CHUCKY ATKINS mebe Avery johnson Those r below avg pgs K? __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople Last edited by El Muffin; 06-13-2014 at 01:42 PM.

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El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,690 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230535	Compare him to.other 90s pgs during his time though. Not many stick out tbh. Im not arguing that he was good..in the grand scheme of things he was ok. All im saying. I could pick like 10 that were worse Dfish isnt a traditional pg..that offense didnt require much facilitation frm him Certain I dont come from the bill simmons school of thought..too many intangibles affecting his per __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople Last edited by El Muffin; 06-13-2014 at 01:56 PM.

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oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	I agree with certain, though I'd be interested to see the disparity (if there is any) between his season and playoff stats. __________________ You should be water

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Certain Mad fucking dangerous. Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 12,066 Battle Record: 40-19 Champed - AOWL Season 3 - Art of Writing League (2x) Rep Power: 85899406	Derek Fisher used to be what Mario Chalmers is now, except he never was criticized to the same degree.

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El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,690 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230535	Why are you guys acting like PER surefire way to rate efficiency? -bruce bowen had single digit per his whole career BUT HES BELOW AVG Cake there are many analysts who can give a fuckless about PER __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople Last edited by El Muffin; 06-13-2014 at 02:04 PM.

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PancakeBrah SOBER Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 12,480 Battle Record: 2-5 Champed - AOWL Season 2 Rep Power: 85899407	I'm at work so I can't go in full detail on how asinine your arguments are but naming slush parker/Eric snow to make your point that fisher was average is horribly flawed. Those are below replacement level players. Just because fisher is better than them doesn't mean he's average, at all. It'd be like me saying Mark Sanchez is average because he's not Ryan Leaf. PER is 100% tangible. Its all number driven Its not perfect by any means but its referenced, used, and long standing for a reason. It has its flaws; it is only for valuating offense (defensive metrics, like in baseball, have lagged far behind offensive metrics but strides are being made) and it favors certain types of players. But Fisher is a minus defensive player so his PER is reflective of his ability. What's funny is you're using intangibles (made a big shot, type of system he was in, etc) and saying PER is too intangible. Do you know what PER is? Do you know what intangible means? Also, you said he was better than 10 pgs of his era (a claim that may or may not be correct). Which would make him...below average. Just get it together. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

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El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,690 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230535	its not a surefire way of rating efficiency cake Chill out. Extinguish the fire frpm under ypur ass Bruce bowens.per is single digits yet hes not below avg rigjt? HOLLINGERS PER IS NOT UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED GUY have u seen first take __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople Last edited by El Muffin; 06-13-2014 at 02:16 PM.

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PancakeBrah SOBER Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 12,480 Battle Record: 2-5 Champed - AOWL Season 2 Rep Power: 85899407	Reread my post and try again. Thanks.

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RD McFly Plane Mode Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 119 Battle Record: 1-0 Rep Power: 0	Leonard and Diaw taking all pressure off Manu, Duncan and Parker...the offense is too efficient and the defense is playing ball. Where is Beasley? Heat's offense is painful to watch. __________________ "There's a bunch of n**s breathin' right now that's dead to me.." -Budden

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El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,690 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230535	So we can agree u need to stfu with PER I used the word intangible wrong. Wowee Everything else is subjective is it not? Ok Finito I think he was avg. You think he was below Just dont bring up per again Would u.like me to.name 15 pgs during 90s that were worse __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople Last edited by El Muffin; 06-13-2014 at 02:39 PM.

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El Muffin DOHpe since 02' Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrounded by white ppl Posts: 14,690 Battle Record: 43-24 Champed - Netcees Battle League - 1-2 Punch Onslaught - 1-2 Punch League - Hot or Thot Roast - Hot or Thot 2018 - Fight Night 11 - NPL Roast Rep Power: 34230535	Ok. I looked.up derek fisher.most prolific season n compared him with starting pgs during that same yr Only.found around 11 that I would say hes better than @El Pancake You are right. Hes below avg My apologies __________________ It’s like weed in Highschool- w/ the cans I’ll smoke you Bitch I floss . I Got the chain out to see like Constantinople

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Inno Ad mini tator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 10,025 Battle Record: 26-54 Champed - Lime Green Poetry Association - Black August - 1-2 Punch League Rep Power: 85899403	heat win 3 in a row bron averages 30 a game.