ITT: Why God exists

[veritas]

thanks meth, you have become a proverb now interestingly....I will explain if you feel like hearing it.

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itt veritas fails to disprove evolution, and thinks the ideas are exclusive

[veritas]

Dude....I proved that no one can prove that God and evolution are mutually exclusive, thusly proving that for all the people who say god is not real/did not create us....have no basis but their faith in the idea.

To be blind to this means you are willfully blind or have an agenda or both.

Keep up James.

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Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

Dude....I proved that no one can prove that God and evolution are mutually exclusive, thusly proving that for all the people who say god is not real/did not create us....have no basis but their faith in the idea.

To be blind to this means you are willfully blind or have an agenda or both.

Keep up James.

i never said god and evolution have to be mutually exclusive. you said you could disprove evolution. you didnt.

[veritas]

the first part was getting people to change their whole viewpoint of "god did not make us, we evolved". you already know a lot of people say that. I am glad that we can agree that God could have possibly created evolution.

I am slowly breaking down your stance James. next step:


(before I begin, I want to say that I believe that animals adapt. I also believe that evolution occurs, such as you have evolved mentally from your teenage years. this is dealing with DARWINIAN evolution, in that man came from monkey, came from bird, came from fish, came from amoeba etc.)

DISPROVING EVOLUTION BY ASKING SIMPLE QUESTIONS:

1. WHAT ARE THE STATISTICAL PROBABILITIES OF SOMETHING BEING IMPOSSIBLE? 1 X 10 TO THE WHAT POWER? AFTER YOU FIGURE THIS OUT...BE AMAZED AT THE PROBABILITIES OF THE CHANCES OF THE FIRST LIVING CELL JUST HAPPENING BY CHANCE. IF SOMETHING IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, HOW CAN IT HAPPEN?

2. HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY RECORDED EVIDENCE/PROOF OF AN ANIMAL EVOLVING INTO AN ENTIRELY NEW CREATURE?

3. MODERN GENETICISTS HAVE PROVEN THAT THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO FISH GENES IN A BIRD AND VICE VERSA...HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE>?

4. AT WHAT POINT TO ANIMALS STOP EVOLVING? HOW COME FISH JUST STAY FISH NOW? HOW COME BIRDS STAY BIRDS?

5. IS THIS EVOLUTION MAGIC SPONTANEOUS? IS IT FISH SWIMMING THEN "POOF" THE FISH IS A BIRD AND IT HAPPENS SO QUICK THAT WE DON'T EVEN SEE IT, AND ISNT THAT A MIRACLE AND PROOF OF GOD LOLZ?

6. WHAT OF THE ANIMALS THAT HAD TO EXIST EXACTLY AS THEY ARE OR ELSE THEY WOULD NOT EXIST? MEANING THAT THE TIME IT TOOK FOR THEM TO EVOLVE INTO THEIR NEW FORM WOULD HAVE KILLED THEM? CONSIDER THE GIRAFFE.

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V, I guess that is true for those who believe that evolution is the only disproof of God.

Not to mention we see animals evolve and mutate all the time. We've been doing it since the dawn of civilization i.e animal husbandry.

I see that you are trying to show that the idiocy of blind faith is not a solely religious tendency... But the inability of people to argue their arguments is inconclusive, especially when it's something so widely conceptualized as God vs. Science


If there is a God, what function does he serve?

[veritas]

THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE HOW THIS ALL STARTED. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN ANY PROOF OF EVOLUTION "IT IS A THEORY"


HAVE FAITH IN EVOLUTION OR HAVE FAITH IN GOD. I CHOOSE GOD.

CARRY ON.

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

4. AT WHAT POINT TO ANIMALS STOP EVOLVING? HOW COME FISH JUST STAY FISH NOW? HOW COME BIRDS STAY BIRDS?

the argument for this point is that at this current moment in time they do not need to evolve due to them living just fine as is. Something doesn't evolve if there is no need and it fits in fine with its current environment. But in saying this wouldnt an animal go extinct before it evolved?

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE HOW THIS ALL STARTED. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN ANY PROOF OF EVOLUTION "IT IS A THEORY"


HAVE FAITH IN EVOLUTION OR HAVE FAITH IN GOD. I CHOOSE GOD.

CARRY ON.

I concur.

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Loling at anyone believing in adaptation but not evolution

How does adaptation occur, Veritas

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you don't have to have faith in either

you can look at both objectively and not take a stance

evolution makes sense to me

god doesnt. that doesnt mean i discount the possibility of god in favor of evolution.

and things stop evolving when they have no need to. think of a shark, or an alligator. they've been the same for a long time because nothing is forcing them to change. they are perfectly suited to the enviornments and lives they live

and you are thinking evolution is like pokemon

it doesnt happen instantly, it takes thousands of years. if you look at the same creature, and fossils of it in intervals you can see the slow change over thousands of generations

one animal just doesnt wake up completely different one day

apes just didnt give birth to a human. they slowly evolved to where we are now

gorillas didnt become super advanced because they have no need to in there enviornment. they are perfectly suited for it. the same with chimps and other monkeys

there is no need for them to evolve, unless you count humans

but we are still so new to them there is no way they could evolve fast enough to combat us

so they will all die off. unless we just leave them alone

[Witty]

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What change necessitated walking on back legs?

I'm still none the wiser as to why that happened.

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Originally Posted by Witty

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What change necessitated walking on back legs?

I'm still none the wiser as to why that happened.

there are a few reasons thrown about. one being that it uses less energy. humans evolved in the plains of the savannah, where chimps and gorillas are forest/jungle dwellers, its advantageous for them to move about on all fours simply because of the terrain itself, try and trip something walking on four legs for example lol.

this is all theory though. but yea another factor bounced around is the fact that you can see farther standing on two legs, and in the plains of the savanah this is very advantageous if theres a saber tooth or a lion or something you can be alerted faster. like think of meerkats and shit. so being constantly on the lookout, combined with less energy being used (which is debateable, they studied it on chimps but it was even. some used more, some used less, which also can be used to prove the selectiveness of evolution in general, those who used less energy on 2 legs could be more likely to breed and pass on the trait)

but yea from spotting predators, to energy use basically is what i buy into the most. other theories were we learned to use tools so we needed to free up our hands.

i personally believe its the opposite, us having free hands led to us making tools and etc, not the other way around.

but word from there we supposedly lost our fur and were able to sweat to keep ourselves cool in the plains

i just buy into the energy saving thing because to this day there are men who RUN ANIMALS TO DEATH

so us having the endurance and the ability to see farther, led us to not only detect threats, but keep shit we're after on the horizon, chasing down dumbass deers and shit that get tired and die before we do


but yea it was basically an energy and lookout thing

you'll find a billion explanations online tho because no one knows for sure

[Destroyer]

VERITAS dumb as fuck
evolution's validity does nothing to prove or disprove god's existence

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

VERITAS dumb as fuck
evolution's validity does nothing to prove or disprove god's existence

Dude for the third time I was only saying that most people think like that and showing them that both take an act of faith.

[Plot]

I wonder if God evolved from the God-Ape.
I think I might start believing in the God-Ape.

[veritas]

Adaptation vs evolution is easy.

Nothing changes its genetic code into the code of another entire animal.


Uhoh....you have never seen god nor anything evolve....why out faith in evo and not god


Also dead at things no longer need to evolve! Rofklflskdkdkdken. What decides that? Please elaborate mwjaahahahahaabababahamwhaah

[Destroyer]

VERITAS, why is it so hard for you to grasp the idea that perhaps the idea of evolution is man's meager understanding of some bigger plan that god put into effect when he snapped his fingers and everything came to be?
why couldn't this all-knowing creator, simply cause the initial spark that everything else grew from? that the Big Bang theory, and study of the universe and evolution and biology are man's attempts to understand the plan enacted by the creator at the beginning of everything? Why can you believe that we all sit around and breathe oxygen and that's plausible, but the idea of a living thing adapting to the environment around it over time and actually changing as a result is so far-fetched? Why is making that happen outside the scope of your idea of an all powerful god?

[Split]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

Adaptation vs evolution is easy.

Nothing changes its genetic code into the code of another entire animal.

That is exactly why no one has ever seen that happen

No animal has ever become another entire animal

Evolution has never claimed that, and if that's what you believe is being said then you are overgeneralizing the theory

Fossil records, our understanding of genes, and experiments relating the two have shown that over the spans of many generations, life adapts to evolutionary pressures on a population sized scale through natural selection

This is evident within our own species as well.

Human beings as they are today could not exist 300 million years ago. Yet we have evidence of other creatures living on Earth 300 million years ago and evidence of the Earth's existence 4 billion years ago

Where did those creatures go? Why don't we have fossils of today's creatures from back then? How do you explain the anatomical progression of man in the past 10,000 years? Or 3,000 years? When did humans begin existing on this Earth?


Evolution answers each of these questions in a logical way using models, theories, and conventions that all adequately explain biological processes observed in the lab and in the field

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Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

Adaptation vs evolution is easy.

Nothing changes its genetic code into the code of another entire animal.


Uhoh....you have never seen god nor anything evolve....why out faith in evo and not god


Also dead at things no longer need to evolve! Rofklflskdkdkdken. What decides that? Please elaborate mwjaahahahahaabababahamwhaah

i put faith into nothing. evolution makes sense to me. god doesnt. i dont put faith into either. i put more weight into evolution, but not at the detriment to "god".

nothings genetic code completely changes into another animal in one generation. its letter by letter. generation by generation.

what decides when something doesnt need to evolve is its enviornment. a shark in the ocean has used the same tools for forever, they are still efficient, nothing has changed in there world for them to have to evolve over HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years. they are perfectly evolved. nothing a great white shark can do, hasnt been done by other great whites lol

[veritas]

I see no one has googled the math of probability limits either...lol