a lie you hear about christianity

[Batty]

The kill is that @Dr Dog and Destroyer keep talking about tolerance and equality but only as long as it fits your agenda.

You acting like a flag is going to rape your family or something, like a flag is going to do a drive by or something. You sound straight retarded to say that all people with confederate flags are racists, drop some statistics on the shit pls bros.

Y'all can't tho.

Some people grew up on sports teams with the rebel flag, all they relate it to is Football or the General Lee orange car. But yo, yall quick to not tolerate any of that shit.

Yo, I ain't got no love for that flag at all, all I do is tolerate some of the people who like it for non racist reasons and thee niggas mad at me just for tolerating folks.

Same with religion, I ain't quoted no bible verses nor have I told nare-a-nigga to go get saved up in here, but yall stay mad that I tolerate people's religion lol.

I like how these dudes stay skipping the real questions, you see either of them touching my question on gay marriage? Hell naw tbh. Cause that's that ether, step up and I shall advise.

[Destroyer]

the swastika was originally an American Indian symbol too
it's not used that way now though, is it?
it doesn't matter that some people think it stands for heritage or fucking whatever
it was literally created to symbolize the white man being above the black man
if you don't believe this, you aren't reading the fucking history

[El Muffin]

I live in ms n I totally sympathize with the pPl who see the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern pride

I know ppl who have it draped outside their business n they genuinely treat me like family

Like genuine

U can't fake genuine love man

Down here there are ppl who yes...use it as a reinforcement of hate but the vast majority are not like that

It's the ignorant duck it up for ppl like batty

N batty guess wat..we feel the same way when u talk about the shot my fellow brethren do

I can't account for ignorance

I'm me. Yk ow? Individual

[Sharp]

What the hell happened here

Supreme Court did good 2 weeks back

Happy with the Obama presidency in the sense that they'll almost always be the same but the 15% that was different was on point

Religious fanaticism is dangerous

Someone flame me to pieces so I feel like I didn't miss anything

[El Muffin]

So I guess all Ole miss plz are racist coz they mascot is a rebel

Nope

Sure there's a few dumb college kids taking advantage of the history?

But there's good ppl everywhere

Perspective should be relative to the individual

So it's not chilling to u that it took this tragedy to conjure a reason to have it removed?

It feels like. I on wats the word I'm looking fo

Iono fuck itr

Perspective

One of my best friends has a rebel flag draped in his bedroom

I love that guy n I understand him

The first day I walked in his room n saw that he was visibly agitated /worried how I wud react

I act like I didn't see it

He brought it up eventually. .n I shush ed him like brother u don't have to explain uraelf. I said had thought u were a bigot we wouldn't be talk in 1st place

He had a sigh of relief n said I really appreciate it

Noone seems to understand

Sry typos my phone glitching

[Destroyer]

Muff, you are so fucking dumb, you almost deserve to be discriminated against

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

it was literally created to symbolize the white man being above the black man

it was literally created to be a battle standard/flag used by an army, not even the entire confederate army.

what its become associated with now is the racism/white supremacy shit. it wasn't created to symbolize that tho.

[fraze]

The levels of ignorance in this thread are disgusting.

[Destroyer]

The flag was based on the saltire, a common flag symbol sometimes called the Southern cross. As historian John Coski writes in The Confederate Battle Flag: America's Most Embattled Emblem, Southerners weren't shy about enlisting the design in the cause of white supremacy. In 1863, the editor of the Southern Literary Messenger wrote that the flag's Southern cross pointed to "the destiny of the Southern master and his African slave" — the Confederacy's hoped-for expansion of slavery into Latin America.
The Confederacy itself was founded to preserve slavery and promote white supremacy (see, for example, Mississippi's declaration of secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world," or the speech from the Confederacy's vice president that declared the Confederacy's cornerstone "rests upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition").

[Batty]

Originally Posted by Muff

I live in ms n I totally sympathize with the pPl who see the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern pride

I know ppl who have it draped outside their business n they genuinely treat me like family

Like genuine

U can't fake genuine love man

Down here there are ppl who yes...use it as a reinforcement of hate but the vast majority are not like that

It's the ignorant duck it up for ppl like batty

N batty guess wat..we feel the same way when u talk about the shot my fellow brethren do

I can't account for ignorance

I'm me. Yk ow? Individual

That's because you actually live in MS and know what's really up, that's what some of these dudes don't get coz they don't know, all they know is they listen to hip hop and they gotta act urban and smoke weed and pose in hats and buy shoes. Ppl that are racist get spotted quick in the south and it ain't coz they got a flag, it coz how they feel and how they treat ppl.

Like I said tho, aint no flag about to physically harm anybody, ppl just following the agenda.

[veritas]

Jude...cmon now.

We are not going to simply gloss over the facts. The facts that religion has not even come close to killing as many people in all of its years combined as we humans have for our own non god reasons in the last 100 years alone. Real talk. Facts. Stats.


We are also not going to gloss over the fact that whether you want to admit it or not you are angry at God bc you associate his being found with your step dad being lost. It is ok. It makes sense. Just own it so we can move on to the next level.

This is a safe place. You are safe.

[El Muffin]

Read my edit batty

I almost made that nigga she'd a tear

Beautiful stuff

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Veritas the invincible

Jude...cmon now.

We are not going to simply gloss over the facts. The facts that religion has not even come close to killing as many people in all of its years combined as we humans have for our own non god reasons in the last 100 years alone. Real talk. Facts. Stats.


We are also not going to gloss over the fact that whether you want to admit it or not you are angry at God bc you associate his being found with your step dad being lost. It is ok. It makes sense. Just own it so we can move on to the next level.

This is a safe place. You are safe.

The shit didn't happen when I was 12 you dumb fucking moron. I was an adult, fully able to recognize hypocrisy at that time. it's the thickheadedness that reminds me of that when dealing with you. That is all. I'm not "mad" at God because I don't believe in a god. why would I feel anger towards something I do not believe in?

As for the "facts" we are not glossing over
really? I saw hush ask for stats about 8 pages back and heard crickets...

[El Muffin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Muff, you are so fucking dumb, you almost deserve to be discriminated against

Your posts Hella jaded

I speak from the heart

That flag symbolism shot u posted was wrongwroioongwroooong

What if I told u there are blk ppl in academia who protest the flag being taken down

They shtoopid too
don't take my presentation for ignorance I can tell off top that u don't speak from experience

[Batty]

History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.


MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.

FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and evenafterthe War Of Northern Aggression.

Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.

U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."

Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, andconsiderablyearlier than his Northern counterparts. Andduringthe fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!

Lastly, andmostimportantly, why didNORTHERNStates outlaw slaveryonlyAFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincolnonlygave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH!NOTin the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.

FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country,notthe Southern Nation.

BUT, even more monumental, it is alsoveryimportant to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.

These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.

This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.

FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.

TheFirst National flagwas changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.

TheSecond National flagwas subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.

TheThird National flagwas the adopted flag of the Confederacy.

TheConfederate Battle Flagwas never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".

FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.

FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.

MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.

FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.

MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.

FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.

MYTH - The South revered slavery.

FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.

FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.

MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.

FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.

Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.

MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.

FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.

MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.

FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.

The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Muff

Your posts Hella jaded

I speak from the heart

That flag symbolism shot u posted was wrongwroioongwroooong

What if I told u there are blk ppl in academia who protest the flag being taken down

They shtoopid too
don't take my presentation for ignorance I can tell off top that u don't speak from experience

I'd tell you that there were black people who owned slaves too

[El Muffin]

No they hate white supremacists

But protest the flags removal

Confusing to you. But makes sense to me. Considering what I've been through

Ur saying they are essentially sellouts

The same ppl who were visibly angered by the shooting

But when they say the flag thing they were like oh OK now they taking it too far

U are ignorant but far from stupid

[Batty]

Originally Posted by Muff

So I guess all Ole miss plz are racist coz they mascot is a rebel

Nope

Sure there's a few dumb college kids taking advantage of the history?

But there's good ppl everywhere

Perspective should be relative to the individual

So it's not chilling to u that it took this tragedy to conjure a reason to have it removed?

It feels like. I on wats the word I'm looking fo

Iono fuck itr

Perspective

One of my best friends has a rebel flag draped in his bedroom

I love that guy n I understand him

The first day I walked in his room n saw that he was visibly agitated /worried how I wud react

I act like I didn't see it

He brought it up eventually. .n I shush ed him like brother u don't have to explain uraelf. I said had thought u were a bigot we wouldn't be talk in 1st place

He had a sigh of relief n said I really appreciate it

Noone seems to understand

Sry typos my phone glitching

Word Muff, I feel u.

True story, me and a black homie of mine used to go to rich white people's houses and steal their rebel flags. I ain't never had no love for that flag at all, but I know some people ain't meaning no harm (dukes of Hazard ftw)

And even some people are just misguided and can change. Daryl Dixon to thread.

Fair?

Flags don't kill people, people kill flags.

[Destroyer]

I really could give a fuck about the flag whether it hangs or not. it's a fucking flag
racism is a problem. burning all the flags won't fix racism
I don't even know why we are talking about the shit except it's Batty's way of taking focus off of the main point of the thread which has been formidably shit on.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Batty

MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.

FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.

lol