Detention Centers

[Objective]

Originally Posted by Genocide

Why cant they make there country what they want it to be.

A lot of people ain't built for war or being violent, and most know that if they get involved friends and family is the ones taking the worst of it. Egypt just went through some serious shit some time ago but it takes a lot out of a country to get together and do something like that, and in many cases it's for nothing.

A lot of people have tried protesting only to get raided and killed. Under Milosevic my Albanian father was a political activist trying to better his own country, handing out flyers and all that jazz. During one of these peaceful protests where they were handing out flyers there was a raid, they showed up and just opened fire on them in the middle of the day. I don't know if anyone got killed as my father rarely talks about it, or wants to talk about it, but he got shot through the torso and survived.

He was then sent to a hospital and then back home for recovery as very few is stupid enough to run. He was supposed to recover there for 1 day before being sent to God knows what kind of prison and from there torture and anything regarding political activism would be figured out in one way or the other. He escaped and eventually got to Norway.

His father was royally pissed since the Serbs would come knock on the door multiple times of the day and keep checking throughout several months to see if he would come back. Not only was he pissed due to that but the fact that they very easily could have been taken in, or been injured/tortured or killed one by one to try to get him out of hiding, was a real threat. It was probably due to how pissed of my grandfather was that made them believe them that they had nothing to do with him running away, and you damn straight my grandfather would give him up in order to save his other brothers and sisters.

The shit the Serbs would do was rape random women and sometimes kill/torture random men on open streets as a means to show power. If my father had stayed they very likely could have raped his mother out on the streets in front of everyone to set an example. They killed a shitload just because they could, and to show "look what we can do, and you can't do shit about it." People with rocks vs a militarized and organized army that'd take anything to fight back away from you, or kill you for it, is not done with ease. In a lot of these areas they'll raid their own people, have agents everywhere posing as civilians and have informants, or force people to become informants, in order to keep the control.
It's tough fighting back or get enough together to join political raids in order to overthrow whoever is in power if you know for a fact that you'll most likely one day come home and see your entire family killed, unless you are killed yourself, in which case your family may still be killed to set an example. It's a huge emotional issue, and a lot are farmers or business men not really having the fighting spirit in them. They just want to live life, you know?

With help from the US to further keep that power in terms of finances and weapons it makes it even more impossible to fight back. I've lost a friend to ISIS myself, and I blame Norways, the US and other countries backing of what has been going on over there for it cus ISIS wouldn't exist without our involvement. I can go in depth on how they manage to recruit these people too, but in short they have the best manipulators in the world that has ever existed, and prey on youth that has no one and would fight for anything as long as they feel loved and taken care of.

It's easy to say "why can't they fight back" when you don't have to worry about hitting an IED on your way to work, or worry that your family and friends will be killed if you say anything bad about the government (or people taking power in your area) if you do. Just the rumor of you talking against it could get you killed. If it's really bad you also won't have internet, or any serious means of banding together before getting caught (or worse). Any form of trying to band together enough to take a stand can lead to mass killings in areas, and it will never be heard about cus right now some shit in Uganda gains more views. So, not only are you risking yourself in a country with no modern ways of communicating, but imagine if standing up for your beliefs and go against injustice could result in your block getting bombed so others won't do the same. Cus they don't care who is responsible and who isn't as long as they get their point across. And hey, China and/or Russia is backing them with weapons, training and soldiers as well to keep it going. Then suddenly China or whatever figured that what they did was wrong, so the destabilization and war mongering bullshit keeps happening and making areas, cities and towns too dangerous to live in. Your best bet is to run, and hope the world cares enough to do something so you can eventually move back and live like you were supposed to. It's pretty rare you meet people that have immigrated from a country due to war not wanting to go back at some point as long as it's safe to move back.

Gotta be tons of fun to run from shit like some of the stuff above only to be incarcerated and not even being a given a toothbrush or hygiene products to you even if it was donated by others.

[boof]

listen bro there are lots of people that think the situation you're describing is awful and are actively trying to stop it and also think the treatment of detained migrants is awful and are actively trying to stop that, and they could care less about specifically making trump look bad.

[Destroyer]

Yeah, answer is a faggot
Don’t bother with him
Worse than zelph, even

[Destroyer]

It’s almost like people with minds can simultaneously care about multiple injustices at once
This dude is the dumbest they come
He’s like oh, sure women are getting raped but my street has potholes so fuck them

[Zuo]

So you want to be able to commit your little crimes then do time in luxury? Lol yeah you’re fckin insane guy

[boof]

are you a cop or something?

[Zuo]

Nah I ain’t no fuckin narc

[boof]

getting on the same page so when i make my point it's not clouded in misunderstanding?

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by boof

getting on the same page so when i make my point it's not clouded in misunderstanding?

word we've been on the same page for a few posts now

make your point lol

[El Muffin]

Let’s go liberate em guys *eyeroll*

Spread awareness . Your best bet . Still will be ineffective . America baby .

I say that affectionately

[uh-oh]

trump signed the first step act into law

basically lessening alot of shit in relation to nonviolent drug offenses, shit with how they stack weapons possessions on top of it, helps them get out early on good behavior etc etc.

granted that doesn't fix the system, but i lean much more towards "just don't break the law" than i do make prisons a great place to be.

but i don't believe in prisons in the first place. if you committed a crime bad enough to be removed from society, you should be removed from society*. not locked away in the hopes of somehow becoming better.

if you committed a crime where some punishment is needed but not death, than there should be a rehabilitation process, but during which you should be heavily screened and if you reoffend you should be removed from society*.


*= hung from the neck until dead.

[White LGI]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

trump signed the first step act into law

basically lessening alot of shit in relation to nonviolent drug offenses, shit with how they stack weapons possessions on top of it, helps them get out early on good behavior etc etc.

granted that doesn't fix the system, but i lean much more towards "just don't break the law" than i do make prisons a great place to be.

but i don't believe in prisons in the first place. if you committed a crime bad enough to be removed from society, you should be removed from society*. not locked away in the hopes of somehow becoming better.

if you committed a crime where some punishment is needed but not death, than there should be a rehabilitation process, but during which you should be heavily screened and if you reoffend you should be removed from society*.


*= hung from the neck until dead.

Everything Trump did was only for the federal level....state level wasn't effected

[Ghost1]

If someone reads that feel free to add it to the book challenge thread

[Zuo]

G shit nobody is reading that

[Geno]

I hear you. But obviously getting locked down with your kids aint the move either.

[Objective]

Originally Posted by Genocide

I hear you. But obviously getting locked down with your kids aint the move either.

Very often you don't get to choose where the smugglers want to take you, you just gotta go and hope for the best. Sometimes you won't even know your destination, just an idea of where you may end up, either way you don't have a choice. You pay the fee and you pray they ain't ripping you off. Sometimes, you may need to go through one country to get to another so it's not much you can do if the US is the end goal for the human traffickers, and from there you gotta go to somewhere else. Just sucks that once you get to the US you're locked up in a different kind of Hell.

[Geno]

But thats what im saying. With a set of nuts to make that type of moves them people could move mountains be it they put effort into other shit. Making a decision like that and actually going with it is monstrous. I have a rather large set of testes and idk if i could do that shit even. Idk in that situation i probably could but you feel me, im sure.

[Objective]

Originally Posted by Genocide

But thats what im saying. With a set of nuts to make that type of moves them people could move mountains be it they put effort into other shit. Making a decision like that and actually going with it is monstrous. I have a rather large set of testes and idk if i could do that shit even. Idk in that situation i probably could but you feel me, im sure.

I mean, people didn't do anything in Germany (easy to grow blind, just like it's easy to grow blind on what's going on in these detention centers right now. No one likes to admit what their country is doing, it's a tough pill to swallow), Palestine is having its own issues and I'm sure they've tried. It depends extremely on how well they manipulate people to think that what they're doing is for the best (Germany) or how well they got a hold (like Israel), Propoganda and shit is crazy, power overbearing. There's literally nothing you can do. When friends and/or neighbors die you kind of got to see the situation for what it is.

The hold terrorists got in Iraq etc. is wild. They need outside help from the US, Norway and Britain (probably a few other countries assisting as well) just to try and hold an election, certain areas the booths gets taken down and sometimes even with the help from the US etc. it's too dangerous to try and do anything with it. If militia isn't enough it's impossible for civilians to do anything as well since they'll just get killed.
Egypt is a different situation and already had a great hold with the Muslim Brotherhood already being tight and connected and some other side I don't remember the name of atm teaming up to make it happen. Now it's a power struggle between the two but don't take my word for it. I may be remembering all of this wrong since the last time I talked to someone from Egypt and read up on the issues. These consequences is in peoples minds as well, even if you run down the government it can be hard to tell what'll happen next or who may use the situation for their own good depending on location.

Imagine if you would have to storm your government. Let's say you actually managed to do it, defense systems and all that jazz is now in your hands. The political ties US once had is probably on the edge now, and you don't know what'll happen next in terms of that. Pretty sure that y'all being in a stressful situation would open up for retaliations from other nations you've had a feud with being opportunistic. You got to put all your faith in the fact that the ties you had with other nations will still be kept, you know?

I don't think it's easy to just jump on the wagon and say "ye, now's the time" when there's uncertainty surrounding it all. Enough people needs to be pissed off and realize there's nothing to lose in order to make a difference. With propaganda running rampant, internet being selective/controlled, surveillance and informants everywhere it's tough knowing where to start when most groups gets disbanded/disappears/gets killed once it starts to become a talking point.

A valid option is to flee and seek refuge wherever you can/is realistic to get to, and it doesn't matter where as long as it's safe. The US is probably not high on the list of places people want to go but it's very often a stop/only option since a lot of routes and cargo ships can port there. Easy money as the traffickers don't care what happens after, and corruption is pretty high in the US so it's easier to make it work. I mean, if this was you, why don't you just stay there with bullets wheezing past or bombs get dropped, and just "fight back" despite most of your friends and family being dead/missing or is already in serious danger and fighting (for them) is not an option?

[Zuo]

Oh hell no

[uh-oh]

objective is all over the place

absolutely NO countries benefit from foreign interference, especially if the US is involved. if you can name one country in history whose people benefitted from outside involvement let me know

the only thing close to it would be a situation where one nation is being wrecked by another nation, and a third nation comes in and liberates them from their invaders. i can't think of a single instance in history where foreign involvement in civil or domestic strife/wars has benefitted the nation in need. it only makes things WAY worse

and you speak of propaganda while spewing the far left propaganda, trying to equate overfilled holding centers of illegal migrants to fucking nazi germany

get a grip man