Bernie Sanders is the Antichrist!

[Witty]

I don't have to, I've already done it...what I stated were easily quantifiable facts, what you stated were republican talking points that hold no weight.

Also, you are very short sighted...free education means more educated citizens, which means more innovation, which means a better economy, which benefits you and everyone else. And the amount you would be paying in taxes is basically nothing compared to other programs you don't seem to have a problem with, the military for example does not need to be even half the size it is and it would still be the most powerful in the world, still stronger than the next ten combined. And as I showed you with proof you can look up, the rich do not pay for the poor...subsidies are not given to the poor, they are given to hard working tax payers. You realize medicare has always been federally funded and it is not exclusive to obamacare? and I don't just call it a free market, it IS a free market. And your circumstances are unfortunate but they do not change the fact that healthcare MUST be funded by taxes because that is the ONLY efficient way to run a healthcare system. Obamacare actually reduces spending on healthcare from what it was before, while making it accessible to more people, there are also quite a few exemptions from the fee, and the fact is they do NOT get enough taxes, not because of you, but because of large corporations and the 1% who constantly find ways not to pay...that is what should piss you off the most, the MAIN reason you pay so much tax, is because the people with the REAL money do not. If that isn't fucked up to you, then there's nothing more I can say. All of these facts are easily verified.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

i form my political viewpoints by my actual life.

No, you clearly don't, because if you did you would be DEMANDING the richest in society pay their way, because whether you know it or not, THAT is what is forcing you to pay crazy taxes, meaning you make less money, meaning you live a lower standard of life, not socialist programs, not Obama...loopholing corporate elites.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Witty

No, you clearly don't, because if you did you would be DEMANDING the richest in society pay their way, because whether you know it or not, THAT is what is forcing you to pay crazy taxes, meaning you make less money, meaning you live a lower standard of life, not socialist programs, not Obama...loopholing corporate elites.

i believe in closing loopholes for corporations, but even with those loopholes those people pay ridiculous amounts of money. sure percentage wise i might pay more, but actual sums of money wise, my taxes aren't even the hint of a drop in an olympic swimming pool

you guys claim my real life experiences are talking points for republicans, well then, maybe i should pay attention to the nonsense that the republicans are speaking because ITS MY ACTUAL LIFE

but i simply can't take you serious when you contradict yourself within your own post. you say we can cut military spending, and also say we should be taxed more?

if they cut military spending no one needs to be taxed more.

they tax americans more than enough. the problem is the entire political system is entirely corrupt. the less of my money that goes in the happier i am.

if i was rich i would feel the same way.

i agree that education is important to building a strong future and all that. so how about instead of taxing me and every SINGLE AMERICAN more to pay for that, they just cut the funding we give to foreign countries? how about they dissolve the thousands of government jobs that SERVE NO PURPOSE AT ALL?

there are a million things they already spend money on that aren't needed. healthcare and college could be free right now if they cut the funding from bullshit.

more taxes is never the answer

if your for getting taxed more i can't fuck with you

[Diode]

dying @ uhoh thinks we are overtaxed.

holy fuck dude, live literally ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD

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Fuck you all for straying

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Diode

dying @ uhoh thinks we are overtaxed.

holy fuck dude, live literally ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD

the fact that you compare our tax rates to other countries sickens me. this is america. we are supposed to be able to reap the fruits of our labor. not give them to an oppressive government

their should be less taxes. even sales taxes are ridiculous

think about SIN taxes, lets punish people selectively by taxing them for doing things they enjoy, like drinking and smoking. wtf is that?

how about the fact that since gas prices have been low they wanted TO RAISE TAXES ON THEM?

quit trying to raise taxes.

i'm honestly baffled that i have to argue with other americans on the subject OF TAXATION

[Diode]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

the fact that you compare our tax rates to other countries sickens me. this is america. we are supposed to be able to reap the fruits of our labor. not give them to an oppressive government

their should be less taxes. even sales taxes are ridiculous

think about SIN taxes, lets punish people selectively by taxing them for doing things they enjoy, like drinking and smoking. wtf is that?

how about the fact that since gas prices have been low they wanted TO RAISE TAXES ON THEM?

quit trying to raise taxes.

i'm honestly baffled that i have to argue with other americans on the subject OF TAXATION

[uh-oh]

lol

i get it man. but if you feel that our tax dollars are spent efficiently and wisely you are a fool. simple and plain.

the tax revenue the united states collects could easily pay for the worlds most powerful military, free health care, and free college, as it already is.

there is no need to raise taxes.

you can point me to whatever website with whatever statistics on how we don't have enough money, and i can point you to a bunch of government programs that are failures and wastes, and government programs that could be chopped down.

[fraze]

if i remember correctly bush came into office with a surplus from clinton.

what happened to that money?

we gave tax cuts to the wealthiest americans which created a shortfall in government revenue.

we spent it on a multi-theatre open ended terrorist hunting war that further destabilized the region, formented even greater anti-American sentiment.

we deregulated wall street and home ownership, then oversaw the greatest man made economic catastrophe since the great depression.

and you don't even want to consider adjustments to tax policy?

what about just simplifying the tax code and closing loopholes.

also you don't think that having collegiate education would have an impact on the economy? people with degrees make more money. people with more money create more tax revenue. tax revenue pays for the education. this is a no brainer idea. free education makes things better for literally everyone.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by fraze

if i remember correctly bush came into office with a surplus from clinton.

what happened to that money?

we gave tax cuts to the wealthiest americans which created a shortfall in government revenue.

we spent it on a multi-theatre open ended terrorist hunting war that further destabilized the region, formented even greater anti-American sentiment.

we deregulated wall street and home ownership, then oversaw the greatest man made economic catastrophe since the great depression.

and you don't even want to consider adjustments to tax policy?

what about just simplifying the tax code and closing loopholes.

also you don't think that having collegiate education would have an impact on the economy? people with degrees make more money. people with more money create more tax revenue. tax revenue pays for the education. this is a no brainer idea. free education makes things better for literally everyone.

uhoh honestly believe in keynesian economics and job creators.

in 2015.

[uh-oh]

i literally disagree with none of that

closing loopholes isn't raising taxes. if simplifying the tax code means a flat tax rate for everyone than i agree with that too and have agreed with it forever

i'm NOT in favor of RAISING taxes to pay for these programs. the government gets enough tax money. closing loopholes would give them more. the only problem with that is what gives those businesses the incentive to stay in america? that type of shit really only effects stupid big business, but still.

but word, im not for raising taxes on anyone to support free college, free healthcare or any of that

i think college is ridiculously overpriced, but i also think the concept of college itself is ridiculous when people go to college and get degrees in fields where there isn't even jobs. so if its free the only difference is they aren't in debt, which is good. but it by no means solves any type of employment crisis. those same people are gonna have to get shit jobs, or go to college and study something they don't want to do in a field that actually has a job waiting for them

but something else that could solve the problem is re-instituting the draft and doing away with our volunteer military

[Diode]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

but something else that could solve the problem is re-instituting the draft and doing away with our volunteer military

[uh-oh]

lmao <3

[uh-oh]

i had to google what keynesian economics is btw, and while i only skimmed a wikipedia article it seems to fit

whats wrong with it? in 2015?

it basically encompassed america when america was at its best? (post world war 2 boom)

[uh-oh]

and one more sidenote before i wack off into an old t-shirt and go to sleep

the draft was also active during that time. and what did people do to get out of being drafted? (hint, college)

[Junto]

Originally Posted by fraze

if i remember correctly bush came into office with a surplus from clinton.

what happened to that money?

we gave tax cuts to the wealthiest americans which created a shortfall in government revenue.

we spent it on a multi-theatre open ended terrorist hunting war that further destabilized the region, formented even greater anti-American sentiment

I was wit everything else you said before that's why I didn't respond to it
This part is a little slanted though to be fair...
Clinton repealed Glass Steagall, loosened mortgage requirements, among other things
So it wasn't just Bush policies that ended up fucking us
That said, young George was the worst president I seen uh-oh talkin out his ass
Everything went to shit, nothing was transparent then... economic collapse, 9/11, lost oil wars

@uh-oh you pretty upfront wit what you don't know at all vs what you think...
who you likin for the next president though

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Junto

who you likin for the next president though

no one. i gotta look into rand paul and see if he's like his pops, but i doubt it, since i've heard no one talk about him at all. hillary clinton is the worst of all time. bernie sanders is a weak old man. trump is an idiot. i know nothing about jeb except he thinks his pops is a great dude. ted cruz is creepy looking.

im not really familiar with any other candidates. don't know what rubio's about. don't know what the other woman/women are about. i'm guessing womanly shit.

whoever is for less government, and doesn't have any plans to do anything that is gonna cost the taxpayers more. maybe pretend that the states have the rights they were supposedly granted, and keep the fed out of state wide politics. shit like that

[veritas]

Socialism is death. If you disagree go travel over to Cuba and live off of 19 dollars a month.

And it was the Democrats who caused the housing bubble to burst in 2008 with the demise of Freddie may and Fannie mac. Facts.

[Junto]

@uh-oh

Carly Fiorina the Republican female
Known best for being ex-CEO of HP, and not doin a great job there..
Her positions on the debate issues are solid though compared to most others on that side
'so there's that'

Ron was a G. Rand prolly has a better chance than he did but for the wrong reasons
Rand opposite on a lotta libertarian ideals from Ron.. & won supporters that way somehow
Hilary has the 'lets vote women now' momentum + Clinton 3rd term idea... idk about her either
She said she opposed decriminalizing marijuana & for a D that's fuckin stupid. For any one, to me.
Bernie old as dogshit yea but he's more like Ron than any others my man... if u liked him

[fraze]

Originally Posted by Veritas the invincible

Socialism is death. If you disagree go travel over to Cuba and live off of 19 dollars a month.

And it was the Democrats who caused the housing bubble to burst in 2008 with the demise of Freddie may and Fannie mac. Facts.

And we totally have nothing to do with Cuba's economy being shit. Not like we had them under trade embargo for the past 40 years or anything.