if you honestly think jay-z is a better rapper than nasir jones

[Chyeahhh!!!]

"that Ether get's in yah soul man"

[Fart]

jay never has a complete song tho. like 1 good verse and shit hooks all over the place. suck a dick

[uh-oh]

stfu

stupidest shit ever said in one of these threads

someone close this plz

[Fart]

ffw to that one verse, or skip after that one verse

always

[Certain]

So what part of "D'Evils" is bad?

[Fart]

all of it

[Bladed Thesis]

Nas checked Jay-Z and his gangster claims with Ether and gave him a reality check. There is no debating that. He refutes every claim Jay-Z ever made regarding being a thug and then points to the fact that Jay-Z has bitten Biggie so many times, its not even funny. And Jay-Z calls it paying homage... lol

Stillmatic > any Jay-Z album... period.

[uh-oh]

close this thread

[PancakeBrah]

Jay IS paying homage, though. I don't know how anyone can listen to those lines and honestly think he's biting. He's blatantly alluding to Biggie when he does that. Although NaS' delivery on that line in Ether made it work.

[Bladed Thesis]

Originally Posted by rapgenius

Biggie on “Kick in the Door”:

Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns
As I crush so-called Willies, thugs and rapper dons
Jay-Z on “The Ruler’s Back”:

Your reign on the top was shorter than leprechauns
You can’t fuck with Hov, what kind of X you on?
The minimal, non-transformative alterations don’t add any value to Biggie’s original; rather, they suspiciously serve to mask the line’s origin…

Biggie on “You’re Nobody Till Somebody Kills You” (Jay must really like this song!):

Stop your blood-clot crying
The kids, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
which Jay-Z bites unaltered on “D.O.A.”:

Stop your blood-clot crying
The kid, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
And so on and so on. Jay claims he’s honoring Biggie, but the untransformed, verbatim bites seem to stifle creativity; at times, he seems to use Biggie lines as filler, which is disrespectful to B.I.G. and Jay both.

In addition to the “artfully transformative”-factor, another worthwhile consideration in judging the merit of a bite is the recognizability of the line bitten: if Jay copies a well-known line, the claim of homage becomes more credible. If he were to quote a classic Biggie line — one that every white person in America knows, say, “It was all a dream, I used to read Word Up Magazine” or “I love it when you call me big poppa” then purists wouldn’t have a problem.

But he never does that…

One could contend that Jay is trying to draw attention to lesser-known jewels through his knock-offery. But an amateur rap audience is unlikely to catch the reference, tending to give Jay-Z credit for clever lines that are actually Biggie’s. To make matters worse, Jay-Z’s Biggie-bites are most often found in his radio-designed singles, which command a novice audience.

basically this...

[Bladed Thesis]

Originally Posted by El Pancake

Jay IS paying homage, though. I don't know how anyone can listen to those lines and honestly think he's biting. He's blatantly alluding to Biggie when he does that. Although NaS' delivery on that line in Ether made it work.

bullshit. He takes little known lines of Biggie's and then spins them to hide where they came and fit himself. Why would he tailor the line to be about himself if he's paying homage? He's not, he's biting small little lines that aren't from popular Biggie songs and DOESN'T GIVE credit or EVER say its from Biggie or an homage to Biggie until he got caught.

That's not how you pay homage...

[Bladed Thesis]

Originally Posted by rapgenius

Biggie, "Victory"
“I perform like Mike, anyone Tyson, Jordan, Jackson”

Jay-Z, "Niggas in Paris"
“I’m liable to go Michael, take your pick; Jackson, Tyson, Jordan, game 6.”

I can grab hundreds more.

Yes, HUNDREDS. There are hundreds of lines he swipes from Biggie.

[Bladed Thesis]

Hahaha, is that how you're going to debate facts?

Guy A says Jay-Z isn't a biter.

Guy B says Jay-Z is a biter and provides evidence.

Guy A says "you must be crazy, your perspective is wack"

gg hold the re

Originally Posted by El Pancake

"GAIS GAIS, he just paying homage MANY MANY times in EVERY album he's pressed in multiple songs across his whole discography. It's not lots and lots of biting, its just lots and lots of homage."

Get a load of this guy...

[PancakeBrah]

LOL

YES

Because there are "facts" here. This is entirely opinion based. You don't know. You have a bias, so you're going to say any line that is remotely close to a "bite" is a bite, dead stop. Whereas I am of the opinion that they're for the most part homages. This could be an argument that goes on for pages. The end result will be a bunch of posts, a handful of sentences, some quoted lines, and neither of us changing our opinion. So I, instead, posted something that did not present an argument. I just posted a random post. I would like to engage you in a fierce debate about an artist I don't care that much about, except I wouldn't like to do that because internet.

I think you're wrong. You think I'm wrong. It's all well and good. I will entertain this frivolity no longer, sir. Do not think you have won. I won before you even thought.

I bid you good day.

[El Muffin]

its a mixture of homage..disdain n misplaced narcissism

tbh. things are a bit more complex.

[Certain]

Jean Rhys totally bit Charlotte Brontë.

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nas doesnt need to 'pay homage' to be the better lyrical miracle.

[El Muffin]

nah

[uh-oh]

tbh i want to stab you all in the face with a jagged piece of aluminum

[Bladed Thesis]

Originally Posted by El Pancake

LOL

YES

Because there are "facts" here. This is entirely opinion based. You don't know. You have a bias, so you're going to say any line that is remotely close to a "bite" is a bite, dead stop. Whereas I am of the opinion that they're for the most part homages. This could be an argument that goes on for pages. The end result will be a bunch of posts, a handful of sentences, some quoted lines, and neither of us changing our opinion. So I, instead, posted something that did not present an argument. I just posted a random post. I would like to engage you in a fierce debate about an artist I don't care that much about, except I wouldn't like to do that because internet.

I think you're wrong. You think I'm wrong. It's all well and good. I will entertain this frivolity no longer, sir. Do not think you have won. I won before you even thought.

I bid you good day.

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