NC ideology check

[Destroyer]

Apparently, because I also agree with everything you just typed

[veritas]

Life starts at conception.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by veritas

Life starts at conception.

Fact

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by veritas

Life starts at conception.

I mean you can’t just say that because look at zelph who was carried to term

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I mean you can’t just say that because look at zelph who was carried to term

This debate is so fucking simple guys, it really is.

What is a philosophical person( someone who needs moral consideration*)?
Give me any fucking answer I’ll prove it wrong through analogy.

* when I say consideration, I mean treatment as best as possible. So if a child and a grown ass man were in a burning building and you could only save one, both are deserving they be saved by you, but the child deserves it more most would think.

[Qualm]

naw. The only reason people feel pain is because of their brain, there are people with neurological malfunctions that cause them to not even feel pain, so you could shoot/stab them and they won’t even notice. That poses the question “is it still unethical to hurt them?” And I say ‘yes’ because there’s still the effect of the wound and the effect of possibly dying, and regardless of whether they feel pain, they may still want to have their life, they will still deal with all the physical ramifications of being hurt. Why do they want life? Because their brain tells them to. Why do they deal with those ramifications? Because their brain processes their existence and distresss associated with them.It’s a biological imperative that developed through thousands of years of evolution where people fear death and want life. Which makes sense, because any species that didn’t would’ve already died out.

But to ultimately understand that the only reason humans desire life/fear death is because neurologically they’re preconditioned to is the key. A baby that hasn’t formed a brain or who isn’t cognizant of their existence can’t desire life or fear death, they’re nothing but an inanimate object.

Saying life begins at conception is stupid af. Life only begins when a baby can neurologically process it, which means that a baby being forced into an impoverished home that can’t sustain a baby becomes unethical the moment it’s born. It’s essentially saying “we’re going to destroy this inanimate object” vs. “we’re going to force this cognizant human being to live their entire life in a home where they’re not wanted”. Option B is unequivocally the unethical one

But the more important issue brings us back to the trolley problem. The world is overpopulated, and we can disagree on the timespan but you’re ignorant if you don’t acknowledge that the expansion of humans threatens the entire human race, and anyone who condones families having 4+ children are choosing to kill the 5 over the 1.

Now sure, there are more elegant ways to implement birth control but nobody on the religious side of that fence are proposing those ideals

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Qualm

naw. The only reason people feel pain is because of their brain, there are people with neurological malfunctions that cause them to not even feel pain, so you could shoot/stab them and they won’t even notice. That poses the question “is it still unethical to hurt them?” And I say ‘yes’ because there’s still the affect of the womb and the affect of possibly dying and regardless of whether they feel pain, they may still want to have their life. Why do they want life? Because their brain tells them to. It’s a biological imperative that developed through thousands of years of evolution where people fear death and want life. Which makes sense, because any species that didn’t would’ve already died out.

But to ultimately understand that the only reason humans desire life/fear death is because neurologically they’re preconditioned to is the key. A baby that hasn’t formed a brain or who isn’t cognizant of their existence can’t desire life or fear death, they’re nothing but an inanimate object.

Saying life begins at conception is stupid af. Life only begins when a baby can neurologically process it, which means that a baby being forced into an impoverished home that can’t sustain a baby becomes unethical the moment it’s born. It’s essentially saying “we’re going to destroy this inanimate object” vs. “we’re going to force this cognizant human being to live their entire life in a home where they’re not wanted”. Option B is unequivocally the unethical one

But the more important issue brings us back to the trolley problem. The world is overpopulated, and we can disagree on the timespan but you’re ignorant if you don’t acknowledge that the expansion of humans threatens the entire human race, and anyone who condones families having 4+ children are choosing to kill the 5 over the 1.

Now sure, there are more elegant ways to implement birth control but nobody on the religious side of that fence are proposing those ideals

Only in 2019 can someone like you exist

You’re a moron, and as a pro-lifer I wish you were aborted

[Qualm]

Originally Posted by Knucklehead

Only in 2019 can someone like you exist

You’re a moron, and as a pro-lifer I wish you were aborted

glad I could convert u

[veritas]

I see the bait you threw out, please do not take my not responding to it as a disrespect for it. It was nice. I just refuse to pick on Zelph.

[Plot]

so spermatoza is not living?
They wriggle and swim?

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Plot

so spermatoza is not living?
They wriggle and swim?

they are "living"

but they aren't organisms, they're cells. if you created a perfect enviornment for sperm to thrive in, they'd just die out, because they cant reproduce on their own. its just a fancy cell basically, their purpose is to move your genetic material into an egg, like how white blood cells move to fight illnesses/infections etc

[Amen]

WTF is happening here on NC, guys.

[Amen]

I really wish Lenox would just find you already and beat you up.

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Amen

I really wish Lenox would just find you already and beat you up.

He actually just asked me to write a 16 verse EP with him like 4 weeks ago

[bleak]

ok i need to know everyone's stance on the issues. no trolling in this thread

for most of these you can just answer yes, no, or undecided

Name: bleak
Do you believe in God: no
Religion: it's taking me a while so I guess agnostic
Do you believe in Life on Other Planets: ye
Do you believe in Climate Change: there is no believing in climate change, it's a fact.
Should gays be allowed to marry: why not
Should consensual euthanasia be legalized: idk what this means, if it means suicide then sure why not the population is out of control
Should prostitution be legalized: obv
Are women equal to men: we are all human, it depends on the man and woman. Nunez is clearly superior to the average man but would lose at her weight class to a world class man fighter

Are you

creationist: na
prolife: no
prolife in cases of rape: no
antivaxxer: lol
flat earther:
death penalty:
anti-immigration:
pro-guns: yes

I believe in free will and original thought

[Exis]

Why should prostitution be legalized? Just curious...

[Exis]

Why not just go2 a brothel where hoes are all checked out medical wise instead of pickin' up some aids riddled slut...

[uh-oh]

a brothel is legalized prostitution

[Exis]

Good call...

[uh-oh]

but word thats part of why it should be legalized

if it was, there would be no foul play involved, pimps, human trafficking, etc. etc. along with testing for diseases and all the rest of it. just regulate it. plus then you could tax it and give the government more money to blow frivolously on things that don't benefit the citizens, the government loves doing that

win win