new Kendrick Lamar single

[big baby]

V/CERTAIN

[oats]

I think he's smart to experiment musically. The weird voice is whatever to me, not necessary but doesn't take away from it significantly. It's a fun song. It grows on me.

[Certain]

And two more points that simply are below your level of intelligence as you get heated at me for dismissing you, @Split:

You say my music opinions are safe because you have absolutely no backdrop on music history. It's easier for you to think that than to consider the literally thousands of dollars and hours I've sunk into this hobby. Some of my opinions line up with critical consensus because critics are professional music listeners and often right about things. But I could give you hundreds of examples where I think the consensus critical opinion is wrong on something.

Then there's this:

"Do you listen to anything without immediately evaluating its worth in the grand scheme of pop culture?"

I try not to. It's called objectivity and allows us to separate ourselves from the idiots who only understand their own trigger-happy emotions.

[big baby]

BETTER CONCEPT THROUGHOUT STORY, JUST OVERALL BETTER SCHMES AND STUFF SPLIT TRIED BUT DIDNT DELIVER LIKE THIS HERE

masturabte furiously to my self-righteousness.


But I'm not a fucking douchebag so I don't

WTF IS A MASTURABTE? LIKE IS THE B SILENT? MASTER ATE? IDK HAD POTENTIAL BUT ENDING WAS EH

V/CERTAIN

[big baby]

plz stap fiten bb cant take bb head hurt :~[

[dull boy]

Never been a huge fan of Kendrick. Didn't see what the big deal was with Good Kid, even though I admit to not giving it much of a chance. He has a unique voice and style, with catchy cadences and flows. He's good, just not anything like what he seems to be regarded as.

This song is good as a single, and does have a kind of timeless feel to it. Good music this song is. It's stuck in my head while I type this, actually. I'd prefer hearing this 10 times a day on the radio juxtaposed with Pharrell's Happy song.

Originally Posted by dead man

It's ok

[Split]

Originally Posted by Certain

Music is highly opinion-based until you think that when I made a reference to Pharrell producing trap-rap and LINKED TO "GRINDIN' " I was talking about Gucci Mane.

I don't care about your opinions on this song. Many didn't like it. But your lack of knowledge is not a matter of opinion.

I assumed that you posted a video of what you thought was good trap rap. But couldn't tell what you were implying with that weird tangential Pharrell cameo

I asked if Gucci Mane, Juicy J, 2 Chainz, and Waka were all considered trap rap, earlier in their careers... because 2 Chainz and Juicy J are examples of what happens when you apply a liberal dosage of Pharrellitude to rappers who once had grimy, low budget production

Then you told me I know little to nothing about music when I have posted little to nothing about the music I listen to on this forum, or what I consider good outside of the latest releases.

I snapped at you to stop being condescending because I was trying to get specific information out of you regarding your music background/ engage in a discussion and not a debate, and you called me an ignorant retard who isn't qualified to discuss music because you misread my post and because you know so many things.

ALL BECAUSE I CANT TELL WHEN YOURE BEING SNARKY AND WHEN YOU ARE BEING FORTHCOMING

[Certain]

Originally Posted by Split

I assumed that you posted a video of what you thought was good trap rap. But couldn't tell what you were implying with that weird tangential Pharrell cameo

"weird tangential Pharrell cameo."

Friend, he produced everything from the first two Clipse albums and gave them their entire signature sound.

[oats]

Hell Hath No Fury is a phenomenal album.

[dead man]

yeah, yeah it is.

i used to love clipse but i have not been able to get into any of pusha's solo shit since then. what is wrong with me? its not like i was a huge malice fan either. idk

[Split]

The pedantic opacity really makes the crushing reality of my own ignorance that much sweeter

Thanks for this, Certain


EDIT:

Whatever. I'm familiar with a wider variety of musical acts, producers, and artists (and i guess music history) than 90% of people I talk to in college/ my hometown. Especially rap and indie/alternative. It's impossible for me to bridge the gap between discussing music among friends and discussing music on the internet. My friends know too little and the internet knows too much. I dont have it in me to lurk /mu/ to make up for two decades of musical non-participation

So I guess I'm stuck only being able to discuss 2012 onwards


All I wanted to say was that Kendrick's music is uncomfortably marketable, whereas before I enjoyed how he painted a love/hate relationship with how the harsh realities of his childhood affected his life and the lives of his friends and family, then and now.

[Certain]

Hell Hath No Fury is amazing. I listened to it last week, actually.

Originally Posted by dead man

yeah, yeah it is.

i used to love clipse but i have not been able to get into any of pusha's solo shit since then. what is wrong with me? its not like i was a huge malice fan either. idk

I used to think Malice was better. (THIS WAS A MINORITY OPINION, FOR THOSE WHO CARE.) My primary point was that Pusha-T was a bit more one-dimensional, while Malice could do the trap and punchline stuff (though not as well as Pusha-T) but was more eager to show the dark side of the game:

Originally Posted by Malice

Yes it pains me to see them need this
All of them lost souls and I'm their Jesus
Deepest regret and sympathy to the street
I see them pay for they fix when they kids couldn't eat
And with this in mind, I still didn't quit
And that's how I know that I ain't shit
My heart bleed but that's aside from the fact
I live for my kids and theirs and them youngins after that

I still love a lot of Malice's verses like that, especially in contrast to his brother's harder edge. But the truth is that Pusha-T was much more creative. And now Malice is a Christian rapper, so ...

[Certain]

You deleted your post? You actually made a couple valid points, including the one on this Kendrick Lamar song.

That's why I barely discuss movies on the Internet. My scope is so limited. Even with TV, which I got into quite a bit starting about five years ago, I'm so far behind having not even watched The Soprano's that I try to keep my sights on what I know about.

The Internet is a place where any lack of knowledge will get exposed.

[oats]

why exposed? if you have an opinion, state it and be willing to change it when you encounter new information (sounds like a blog I wrote HMMMMMM). I don't know shit about a lot of things that people talk about on here, which is why I like to have discussions; I get to learn. you don't have to be an expert about something to speak on it, so long as you're not mumpsimus about it.

[Certain]

That's a very valid way of looking at things. I often ask questions when I get involved in discussions where I don't know the answers, among friends. But for me, on the Internet, it's easier to stick with what you know.

The only reason I was such a dick (admittedly) to Split is because he made an ignorant generalization about one of the most influential and talented producers of the past 20 years.

[Split]

Originally Posted by Certain

You deleted your post? You actually made a couple valid points, including the one on this Kendrick Lamar song.

That's why I barely discuss movies on the Internet. My scope is so limited. Even with TV, which I got into quite a bit starting about five years ago, I'm so far behind having not even watched The Soprano's that I try to keep my sights on what I know about.

I edited it into my old post because I was trying to clarify, but by the time I had posted the conversation had shifted and the timing of my post made me look butthurt

A lot of times I get away with discussing things I have no business discussing because I discuss things a lot.

I blame college.

I have a huge list of albums & artists I need to purchase/ download to flesh out my library. In high school I got in the bad habit of downloading iTunes singles rather than entire albums, and now there's like 250 albums I want to get the remaining songs from.

[Greed]

It is expected that a track produced by pharrell will be lighthearted and/ or upbeat. Clipse made them work as did snoop dog jay z and several others.

Kendrick ruined this imo

[kannon]

Originally Posted by oats

Hell Hath No Fury is a phenomenal album.

KEYS OPEN DOORS,
KEYS, KEYS OPEN DOORS

I fell in love with Clipse when Malice said "On days I wasn't Abel, there was always Cain(e)."

[Hush]

Dope party Muzak

[NYCSPITZ]

HOT TRACK