do you consider Lil Wayne southern rap?

[The Dead Poet]

Originally Posted by Certain

I'm just not about the idea that complex lyricism is an East Coast thing. And I say that as a New York native.

The South's greatest rappers are Scarface, Andre 3000 and Bun B —all absolutely great lyricists with complexity on the same level as their Northeast and West Coast counterparts. T.I., Ludacris, Lil Wayne, Chamillionaire and more followed right in their footsteps. Now there's Big KRIT and Jay Electronica.

Obviously, the South also produced Master P and Dem Franchize Boyz. But the Northeast produced Diddy.

Being a Southern rapper means you're a rapper from the South. That's it.

Master P made Ghetto D & TRU 2 Da Game if you are in any way attempting throw shade at his career then, fuck you bro hahaha.

[Certain]

Southern rap to me is OutKast and Scarface and UGK. That's all I'm saying.

Also, uh-oh's point about early Lil Wayne is important. Lil Wayne from Lights Out and 500 Degreez is so different from Lil Wayne from The Carter 3 and Dedication 2.

[Certain]

Also, listen to Lil Wayne's latest album, ColleGrove (with 2 Chainz), and tell me that's not Southern.

[Ghost1]

his newer shit is a far cry from his squad up and carter stuff tho

[Inno]

So basically this whole thread is.

If southern rappers rap with an intellect its obvious up north influence lol

No wonder TI IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, LOOK HE USED ELEQUENT AND FIGURATIVE AND CONTEMPLATION IN HIS RAP, HE OBSLY GOT HIS STYLE FROM NY.,


Thats all i see in this thread.

Stfu nerds


Come on man.

[Ghost1]

I think the point is that ti and lil wayne r rarities in that respect to southern rap

Which is where the discussion comes into play


U FUCKA MOWRUN

[Inno]

Actually its not.

Big krit raps like that, but his accent is so thick most poeple dont see it.


Lets see.

how bout andre 300, yall gon sit here and tell me this cat aint southern?

[Dope girl]

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[Ghost1]

Originally Posted by Innovator

Actually its not.

Big krit raps like that, but his accent is so thick most poeple dont see it.


Lets see.

how bout andre 300, yall gon sit here and tell me this cat aint southern?

Krit an Andre were already mentioned


And also an awesome distinction of southern rappers as opposed to the music TI and wayne make

From the accents to the production to the subject matter there's a vast difference

Rhyme complexity is not the only difference

[Inno]

Originally Posted by Bags

Krit an Andre were already mentioned


And also an awesome distinction of southern rappers as opposed to the music TI and wayne make

From the accents to the production to the subject matter there's a vast difference

Rhyme complexity is not the only difference

wors i feel you on this right here. I see your point.

It just feels like everytime a southern rapper doesnt rap like hes from the south its an automatic indication that hes not southern. Thats what erks me.

i feel you tho.

I ve had to much to drink

[Ghost1]

LOL u are on certains team of this discussion

He's made some good points for ur camp


Drink on lil beardo

[Certain]

It's just weird to me that the only New Yorker in this discussion (me) is the one arguing against the idea that all smart rap is from New York.

[The Dead Poet]

calling NY rap "smart" is pretty laughable.

Phife Dawg once said "I float like gravity"

I'm sayin though.

[PancakeBrah]

Lil Wayne is not stylistically southern, at least he wasn't during his prime years.

[Inno]

Originally Posted by The Dead Poet

calling NY rap "smart" is pretty laughable.

Phife Dawg once said "I float like gravity"

I'm sayin though.

But i was and is presented in this thread.

The very mention of TI IS ENOUGH

[Mr. J]

Well he is from the South........& he does rap...I swore this was a drunk Witty thread though

[oats]

Originally Posted by PancakeBrah

Lil Wayne is not stylistically southern, at least he wasn't during his prime years.

this is all I'm saying. nothing to do with being "smart" or however you wanna frame it. this whole time I've been talking about style and sound, but yes, complex lyricism originated in NY. That's a pretty uncontroversial statement lol. intelligence is not regional, but sounds and style are. good talk though guys

[Certain]

Originally Posted by quaker oats

this is all I'm saying. nothing to do with being "smart" or however you wanna frame it. this whole time I've been talking about style and sound, but yes, complex lyricism originated in NY. That's a pretty uncontroversial statement lol. intelligence is not regional, but sounds and style are. good talk though guys

Rap originated in New York. So do all rappers sound like New York rappers?

You're a worldly man. Imagine if they said every successful Korean company was run like a Japanese company?

[oats]

that's an illogical leap, though, to go from "rap originated in NY" to "all rappers sound like NY rappers." There are distinct style and sound differences in different regions, and when I hear Lil Wayne, he does not sound like basically anyone else who has a southern sound. To be fair, I basically only listened to him during his peak years, and I haven't heard anything from the one you mentioned earlier. I could very well be wrong, but I'm still not really convinced. What would you say are his most "southern" tracks?

The conflation of complex lyricism and intelligence is a straw man; a lot of intelligent shit can (and has been) said simply. I'm just calling a spade a spade to say that the east coast is responsible for introducing complex lyricism, but that's only one aspect of what defines the style. Biggie didn't have terribly complicated rhyme schemes, but his production and lyrical content make him an unmistakably east coast MC. Just like Snoop is unmistakably west coast, and Finny is unmistakably a textcee with a mic in need of another hobby.

Wayne is his own thing altogether, which is a compliment to his creativity more than anything. I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's a southern MC, but having made this thread, I don't think I'm being as unreasonable as I suspected I was to think otherwise.

[Mr. J]

You talking bout Wayne ha.
thinking he changed the game ha.
crew gettin fame now
but Juvenile paved the lane ha