things that interest you that others dont care about probably thread

[sral]

At least from the time of the Apostolic Fathers (the generation right after the Apostles).
Jesus is referred to as somehow Divine. Exactly how that Divinity worked out wasn't codified until Nicea. By the time of the Nicea, the Deity of Jesus was the dominant view, with Arius's teaching (Jesus was God's First Creation, the Divine Son, who then was Co- or Sub-Creator with his Father God, and worthy to receive a form of worship & to be called Divine by association) a strong second.

To the Jesus-Deity party, this teaching compromised the Oneness of God by stating that God would create a secondary "god" who then could be worshipped, it seemed more in keeping with their view of monotheism to regard Jesus as eternally an aspect/person within the One God. Also, it compromised the fullness of salvation by having our Savior regarded as a Super-Angel or Sub-deity rather than as fully God; and it compromised the full compassionate love of God by having God delegate our saving to a go-between rather than taking it on Himself.

In short, while it wasn't a settled issue, by the time of Nicea, the main view was Jesus as God, the only real rival view was Jesus as Sub-God, while the view that Jesus was a man exalted to Divine Sonship (the Ebionite view & also held by some Gnostics who believed the Divine Christ possessed the man Jesus at his baptism by John, seemingly promoted in THE DA VINCI CODE) did not register at all within the Church.

[Witty]

You know I do.

[veritas]

I had to ask.

Have you had direct experience with evolution?

[Witty]

I have experienced the empirical evidence of evolution in the form of fossils. Yes. I have actually held some of them.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Jesus being a real person isn’t relevant

L Ron is a real dude

[Destroyer]

Men die for lies all the time
Look at soldiers

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Men die for lies all the time
Look at soldiers

Only thing great as god is merica

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Men die for lies all the time
Look at soldiers

No. Imagine that when the prospective soldier met with the recruiter they told them they were guaranteed to be tortured and murdered slowly and painfully. Only those who truly believed in the cause would.

Human nature and sound logic combo here guys. Cmon now. Put this over and give me a fair.

[big baby]

evolution is fake i've been 2 years old for years u fucka idioytes

[veritas]

Originally Posted by big baby

evolution is fake i've been 2 years old for years u fucka idioytes

[Destroyer]

People believe shit that isn’t true all the time veritas
To assume that when death is on the line, people are somehow immune to being mistaken seems naive

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

People believe shit that isn’t true all the time veritas
To assume that when death is on the line, people are somehow immune to being mistaken seems naive

If they had any doubts when it came time to renounce Christ or die a horrible death they would have. But they had seen the miracles and they seen him rise from the dead. If he was just a dude they would not have. Fair?

[Destroyer]

I mean, those people drank the kool-aid bro
People do shit like that a lot
Waco?
Jonestown?
Why didn’t their impending death wake them up from their illusions?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I mean, those people drank the kool-aid bro
People do shit like that a lot
Waco?
Jonestown?
Why didn’t their impending death wake them up from their illusions?

Cult leaders cannot exist without the weak minded lie lovers. Jim jones grew a Bible on the ground in San franscisoco and said he was their god and they stayed. They did not care about the truth.

They also did not know what would be their fate Des. The apostles did. Jesus told them that if the master got what he did how much worse the servants. Cmon man. Can I get a fair here?

[Witty]

Veritas are you suggesting that the only people who have willingly endured horrific pain, torture, and ultimately death, in the name of their faith, have been Christians?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

Veritas are you suggesting that the only people who have willingly endured horrific pain, torture, and ultimately death, in the name of their faith, have been Christians?

Not at all.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by veritas

Not at all.

Ok.

Thank you.

[Destroyer]

Lmao. I am familiar with the story, man.
It’s the provenance that I question.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Lmao. I am familiar with the story, man.
It’s the provenance that I question.

Elaborate on provenance?

[Destroyer]

All three of the common definitions can be applied