Andrew Yang for president?

[Dominate]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

ubi is a nightmare. the goal is to make it where peoples needs are covered, meaning rent/food/utilities. its STARTING at 1k a month. the idea being that if people dont have to work to survive they can pursue their passions or whatever.

it completely disincentivises working for a living. as it stands at 1k a month, i could literally quit my job. my rents 550. my electric is around 100 my phones around 100. i'd sell my car and have 250 for food every month. i'd do nothing but leach off the system

i just feel like my views are different because im a piece of shit lmao. everyone i know is a piece of shit. people i know who are on welfare all sell the majority of their foodstamps for cash, why would giving them cash incentivize them more?

but yea i dunno, as for booth stating that if people made more money they would be willing to spend more at a mom and pops thats just ridiculous. i just bought and built a new pc. i have a ridiculous disposable income in terms of what i make vs. my bills/necessities. i didn't go to a random computer shop to help a local business, i bought everything off amazon and looked for black friday/cyber monday deals. why would i pay more for the same thing? thats retarded.

Word so then you’d be CHOOSING to be poor. Another guy with the same income as you living paycheck to paycheck who wants to get ahead or build something for his kids is now able to by continuing to work hard or by switching careers to something more lucrative. That’s how it should be. People should be poor by choice, not circumstance.

Which is all not to mention that the idea of working for a living is fast becoming impossible for millions of people bc of the rise of AI. All the people working in call centers, retail, driving trucks... millions of them about to experience what people working in manufacturing went through. Even IF we somehow got a lot better at implementing retraining programs (success rate for people coming out of manufacturing jobs in these programs was around 15%), new jobs in different industries aren’t being created quick enough to fill this void.

I agree it’s disingenuous to argue that the entire $1000/month is all going back into the local community but for most people a reasonable slice of it will - there’s plenty of shit people will spend money on that you can’t buy online. Eating out at a restaurant, going to movies/concerts/sports events, child care, car repairs, blah blah blah.

[Pharaohs Army]

I like the idea of 1K a month but watch, the price of EVERYTHING would rise exponentially if this was put in place.

[Dominate]

Originally Posted by Pharaohs Army

I like the idea of 1K a month but watch, the price of EVERYTHING would rise exponentially if this was put in place.

Companies still have to compete for your dollars. If a business can sell their product at $5 and make a profit, then suddenly jacks their price up to $10, another company will just come along and sell it for $5 and put that other company out of business.

[Pharaohs Army]

Originally Posted by Dominate

Companies still have to compete for your dollars. If a business can sell their product at $5 and make a profit, then suddenly jacks their price up to $10, another company will just come along and sell it for $5 and put that other company out of business.

There's collusion. With 1k a a month EVERY gas station would raise their prices (together & keep them raised)

Probably the same with fast food restaurants

Apartment owners,

etc.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Dominate

Word so then you’d be CHOOSING to be poor. Another guy with the same income as you living paycheck to paycheck who wants to get ahead or build something for his kids is now able to by continuing to work hard or by switching careers to something more lucrative. That’s how it should be. People should be poor by choice, not circumstance.

Which is all not to mention that the idea of working for a living is fast becoming impossible for millions of people bc of the rise of AI. All the people working in call centers, retail, driving trucks... millions of them about to experience what people working in manufacturing went through. Even IF we somehow got a lot better at implementing retraining programs (success rate for people coming out of manufacturing jobs in these programs was around 15%), new jobs in different industries aren’t being created quick enough to fill this void.

I agree it’s disingenuous to argue that the entire $1000/month is all going back into the local community but for most people a reasonable slice of it will - there’s plenty of shit people will spend money on that you can’t buy online. Eating out at a restaurant, going to movies/concerts/sports events, child care, car repairs, blah blah blah.

everyone who is poor didn't choose to be, but in america if you REMAIN poor you are choosing to be. i was poor. im surrounded by all the same shit that drags everyone down. i cut those people out of my life and consented myself to the misery of working a job i hate so i can have money. so can everyone else. i didn't walk in making 50k a year (a pittance compared to other ncg's). it was 8 dollars an hour entry level nonsense, but i grinded it out and worked at my trade until now im comfy.

Originally Posted by Dominate

Companies still have to compete for your dollars. If a business can sell their product at $5 and make a profit, then suddenly jacks their price up to $10, another company will just come along and sell it for $5 and put that other company out of business.

another company would come along and sell it for 9 dollars but word.

[Dominate]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

everyone who is poor didn't choose to be, but in america if you REMAIN poor you are choosing to be. i was poor. im surrounded by all the same shit that drags everyone down. i cut those people out of my life and consented myself to the misery of working a job i hate so i can have money. so can everyone else. i didn't walk in making 50k a year (a pittance compared to other ncg's). it was 8 dollars an hour entry level nonsense, but i grinded it out and worked at my trade until now im comfy.

“In america if you REMAIN poor you are choosing to be”.

I fundamentally disagree. I’m happy to hear your success story but I really don’t believe that’s how it goes for a lot of people, particularly those with kids or those who get sick or injured. And even if I’m wrong about that, there’s still the issue of AI being on the verge of replacing millions of people’s jobs quicker than new ones can be created.