Detention Centers

[boof]

first off fuck no you can't trust cnn or msnbc are you joking?

second i've had the ice & border patrol statistics open on my browser for weeks now, i know how many they are detaining. that's not what we're debating

third lets remember ice and border patrol are different agencies with different numbers and different approaches, obviously

to be clear in the last three months border apprehensions by border patrol have almost tripled. they apprehended 132,000 last month. 95,000 of them are children or families. the amount of families detained at the border has tripled in the last three months. as you can see it's over 2/3rds, it used to be like 10-20%. the amount of refugees coming to the port of entry LEGALLY has also tripled since 2017.

do we agree so far?

[Geno]

Originally Posted by boof

first off fuck no you can't trust cnn or msnbc are you joking?

second i've had the ice & border patrol statistics open on my browser for weeks now, i know how many they are detaining. that's not what we're debating

third lets remember ice and border patrol are different agencies with different numbers and different approaches, obviously

to be clear in the last three months border apprehensions by border patrol have almost tripled. they apprehended 132,000 last month. 95,000 of them are children or families. the amount of families detained at the border has tripled in the last three months. as you can see it's over 2/3rds, it used to be like 10-20%. the amount of refugees coming to the port of entry LEGALLY has also tripled since 2017.

do we agree so far?

I mean imo this is awful close to election time to not have something to do with it. Js. But still man. Why cant all these people decide to band together in there own country and make a stand to better it instead of flooding america. If they have the balls to do that and there are obviously so many, since thats what has your feathers fluffed.. Then i would imagine that they could become really impactful in a positive way. They clearly have desire and motivation. Why keep dumping on americans and tax payers and instead do something to better your own fucking country. I mean any spanish folk ive ever known here hates america and talks so highly about there country... So do something to make it better. I mean is this just crazy or do i have a point at all? With that many people and the right cause and movements they could do some positive Shit on there own soil instead risking getting caught by immigration. Risking getting there kids put away and being seperated from them. Risking there lives even.. Why not put all that energy and big nuts bravery into something to change there own lands. Wtf. Im sure we can agree that this wouldnt be a bad idea huh? Not saying it would be easy. Not saying it would happen over night but im sure these people have the will to make good things happen there, if thats really why there running to the US. Tbh i could care less.either way in these threads. I mean everyone deservea a fair shot in life and it just doesnt go that way. But americans made this country what it is. Why cant they make there country what they want it to be. For fucks sake. America/ns would probably even show support for the right movement if it meant people wanting to stay in there own country and better it,. Imagine that

The power move would be helping to better a south america and being comrades, instead of people bailing on it all the time. I mean im just saying. Gotta start somewhere though. And flooding the boarders aint exactly whats gonna make shit better for anyone. Especially these detainees. Jail aint a pretty place and i dont wish it on no one. ive seen and heard some of the most violent shit in my life behind bars. Blood splashing like the symbiote suit. So yeah. I hope these people see the light of day soon and get there shit together. Real.talk. heart goes out to them. Its a sad state of affairs and anyone who denies that just isnt human.

'Im Cletus Kasady when i flip in the booth
The blood on my hands splashes, like the symbiote suit'

-Geno

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Genocide

I mean imo this is awful close to election time to not have something to do with it. Js. But still man. Why cant all these people decide to band together in there own country and make a stand to better it instead of flooding america. If they have the balls to do that and there are obviously so many, since thats what has your feathers fluffed.. Then i would imagine that they could become really impactful in a positive way. They clearly have desire and motivation. Why keep dumping on americans and tax payers and instead do something to better your own fucking country. I mean any spanish folk ive ever known here hates america and talks so highly about there country... So do something to make it better. I mean is this just crazy or do i have a point at all? With that many people and the right cause and movements they could do some positive Shit on there own soil instead risking getting caught by immigration. Risking getting there kids put away and being seperated from them. Risking there lives even.. Why not put all that energy and big nuts bravery into something to change there own lands. Wtf. Im sure we can agree that this wouldnt be a bad idea huh? Not saying it would be easy. Not saying it would happen over night but im sure these people have the will to make good things happen there, if thats really why there running to the US. Tbh i could care less.either way in these threads. I mean everyone deservea a fair shot in life and it just doesnt go that way. But americans made this country what it is. Why cant they make there country what they want it to be. For fucks sake. America/ns would probably even show support for the right movement if it meant people wanting to stay in there own country and better it,. Imagine that

The power move would be helping to better a south america and being comrades, instead of people bailing on it all the time. I mean im just saying. Gotta start somewhere though. And flooding the boarders aint exactly whats gonna make shit better for anyone. Especially these detainees. Jail aint a pretty place and i dont wish it on no one. ive seen and heard some of the most violent shit in my life behind bars. Blood splashing like the symbiote suit. So yeah. I hope these people see the light of day soon and get there shit together. Real.talk. heart goes out to them. Its a sad state of affairs and anyone who denies that just isnt human.

'Im Cletus Kasady when i flip in the booth
The blood on my hands splashes, like the symbiote suit'

-Geno

the problem geno is the left welcomes and gives off the facade of america being a place with open arms that wants them to come. its not. they learn that at the border. all the politicians and people in government who talk of sanctuary cities and everything else have driven the numbers through the roof. they've given these people false hope so that they can use it to sway their emotional base.

america will always put american interests first however. whether its the big bad man trump or a pelosi or whoever from whatever side of the aisle.

the US exists to destabilize and control nations. the US run shit. its the way of the world. the US is ROME. venezuela is a shitty egypt. norway is a bumfuck farflung buffer province against the eastern barbarians. you think the senate gives a shit? fill the coffers. do their bidding plebs, they'll let you prosper and build nice roads.

the machine rolls on. until it doesn't

it will be replaced by another. its the way it goes.

you are all too old to believe in good in this world. grow up. worry about yourself, your family, and empty your balls regularly.

[Objective]

Originally Posted by Genocide

Why cant they make there country what they want it to be.

A lot of people ain't built for war or being violent, and most know that if they get involved friends and family is the ones taking the worst of it. Egypt just went through some serious shit some time ago but it takes a lot out of a country to get together and do something like that, and in many cases it's for nothing.

A lot of people have tried protesting only to get raided and killed. Under Milosevic my Albanian father was a political activist trying to better his own country, handing out flyers and all that jazz. During one of these peaceful protests where they were handing out flyers there was a raid, they showed up and just opened fire on them in the middle of the day. I don't know if anyone got killed as my father rarely talks about it, or wants to talk about it, but he got shot through the torso and survived.

He was then sent to a hospital and then back home for recovery as very few is stupid enough to run. He was supposed to recover there for 1 day before being sent to God knows what kind of prison and from there torture and anything regarding political activism would be figured out in one way or the other. He escaped and eventually got to Norway.

His father was royally pissed since the Serbs would come knock on the door multiple times of the day and keep checking throughout several months to see if he would come back. Not only was he pissed due to that but the fact that they very easily could have been taken in, or been injured/tortured or killed one by one to try to get him out of hiding, was a real threat. It was probably due to how pissed of my grandfather was that made them believe them that they had nothing to do with him running away, and you damn straight my grandfather would give him up in order to save his other brothers and sisters.

The shit the Serbs would do was rape random women and sometimes kill/torture random men on open streets as a means to show power. If my father had stayed they very likely could have raped his mother out on the streets in front of everyone to set an example. They killed a shitload just because they could, and to show "look what we can do, and you can't do shit about it." People with rocks vs a militarized and organized army that'd take anything to fight back away from you, or kill you for it, is not done with ease. In a lot of these areas they'll raid their own people, have agents everywhere posing as civilians and have informants, or force people to become informants, in order to keep the control.
It's tough fighting back or get enough together to join political raids in order to overthrow whoever is in power if you know for a fact that you'll most likely one day come home and see your entire family killed, unless you are killed yourself, in which case your family may still be killed to set an example. It's a huge emotional issue, and a lot are farmers or business men not really having the fighting spirit in them. They just want to live life, you know?

With help from the US to further keep that power in terms of finances and weapons it makes it even more impossible to fight back. I've lost a friend to ISIS myself, and I blame Norways, the US and other countries backing of what has been going on over there for it cus ISIS wouldn't exist without our involvement. I can go in depth on how they manage to recruit these people too, but in short they have the best manipulators in the world that has ever existed, and prey on youth that has no one and would fight for anything as long as they feel loved and taken care of.

It's easy to say "why can't they fight back" when you don't have to worry about hitting an IED on your way to work, or worry that your family and friends will be killed if you say anything bad about the government (or people taking power in your area) if you do. Just the rumor of you talking against it could get you killed. If it's really bad you also won't have internet, or any serious means of banding together before getting caught (or worse). Any form of trying to band together enough to take a stand can lead to mass killings in areas, and it will never be heard about cus right now some shit in Uganda gains more views. So, not only are you risking yourself in a country with no modern ways of communicating, but imagine if standing up for your beliefs and go against injustice could result in your block getting bombed so others won't do the same. Cus they don't care who is responsible and who isn't as long as they get their point across. And hey, China and/or Russia is backing them with weapons, training and soldiers as well to keep it going. Then suddenly China or whatever figured that what they did was wrong, so the destabilization and war mongering bullshit keeps happening and making areas, cities and towns too dangerous to live in. Your best bet is to run, and hope the world cares enough to do something so you can eventually move back and live like you were supposed to. It's pretty rare you meet people that have immigrated from a country due to war not wanting to go back at some point as long as it's safe to move back.

Gotta be tons of fun to run from shit like some of the stuff above only to be incarcerated and not even being a given a toothbrush or hygiene products to you even if it was donated by others.