God bless Alabama

[Flow]

First of all @Blue Bayou the Thanos bit slayed me

@seth question, would you have been ok with the law being universal vasectomy procedures for all men after puberty?

This is a quick procedure
It would massively prevent unwanted pregnancies
It is a preventative measure as opposed to reactionary
It is reversible - so only those who are ready to have children need get it reversed
It protects innocent children an victims of rape from further anguish

I mean - it totally goes against human rights imo but so does what’s happened.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Flow

First of all @Blue Bayou the Thanos bit slayed me

@seth question, would you have been ok with the law being universal vasectomy procedures for all men after puberty?

This is a quick procedure
It would massively prevent unwanted pregnancies
It is a preventative measure as opposed to reactionary
It is reversible - so only those who are ready to have children need get it reversed
It protects innocent children an victims of rape from further anguish

I mean - it totally goes against human rights imo but so does what’s happened.

This law isn’t forcing women to get their tubes tied. I don’t understand how people can be so bad at critical thinking and debating.

Unfortunately nature doesn’t have an equivalent procedure. To be fair and get a little away from the OP troll, I don’t believe the rape and incest should be left out like it was. So any abortion I’m against is by a healthy woman who chose to have sex. In this case I believe the mother should have to carry to term and the father be legally responsible under very strict regulations. For example, child support should be provided or jail time. No not paying it and getting away with it. Mandatory paternity test.

[Flow]

Originally Posted by seth

This law isn’t forcing women to get their tubes tied. I don’t understand how people can be so bad at critical thinking and debating.

Unfortunately nature doesn’t have an equivalent procedure. To be fair and get a little away from the OP troll, I don’t believe the rape and incest should be left out like it was. So any abortion I’m against is by a healthy woman who chose to have sex. In this case I believe the mother should have to carry to term and the father be legally responsible under very strict regulations. For example, child support should be provided or jail time. No not paying it and getting away with it. Mandatory paternity test.

No it’s not - that is not reversible and incredibly more complex. My point is that it’s a preventative measure which is always desirable. Regardless though my issue mostly lied with the 10 percent rape pregnancies etc.

Although I still don’t agree - I dont think this argument can ever Be won by either Side. There is no defining majority on what’s constitutes life. However there probably is on a state by state basis, or closer anyway. So every state should have a vote. An if you don’t agree move to the other state. Then have a civil war.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Flow

No it’s not - that is not reversible and incredibly more complex. My point is that it’s a preventative measure which is always desirable. Regardless though my issue mostly lied with the 10 percent rape pregnancies etc.

Although I still don’t agree - I dont think this argument can ever Be won by either Side. There is no defining majority on what’s constitutes life. However there probably is on a state by state basis, or closer anyway. So every state should have a vote. An if you don’t agree move to the other state. Then have a civil war.

Abortion bills are about dealing the consequences of actions (again rape and incest should be included, this was a bad law) not dealing with precautions.

You’re saying to prevent unwanted pregnancies we should make people have a procedure by force that could be botched and result in them never having kids as a viable alternative to dealing with accountability. If you don’t see the obvious flaw in this argument I can’t help you, you’ll just always be a low level thinker

[Flow]

Originally Posted by seth

Abortion bills are about dealing the consequences of actions (again rape and incest should be included, this was a bad law) not dealing with precautions.

You’re saying to prevent unwanted pregnancies we should make people have a procedure by force that could be botched and result in them never having kids as a viable alternative to dealing with accountability. If you don’t see the obvious flaw in this argument I can’t help you, you’ll just always be a low level thinker

No I don’t think that’s what should be done lol - I think you lot should educate people more on contraceptives and make them more available and then get on with your life not meddle with peoples private business. But that’s me.

I’m simply saying if it’s acceptable to remove autonomy over ones own body then a more rational measure is one that looks to prevention not reaction. Also vasectomys are low risk in that regard and less traumatically and quicker. They also can be reversed.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Flow

No I don’t think that’s what should be done lol - I think you lot should educate people more on contraceptives and make them more available and then get on with your life not meddle with peoples private business. But that’s me.

I’m simply saying if it’s acceptable to remove autonomy over ones own body then a more rational measure is one that looks to prevention not reaction. Also vasectomys are low risk in that regard and less traumatically and quicker. They also can be reversed.

They can sometimes be reversed. This is about accountability. They gave up their right to their autonomy by their actions. Kids get girls pregnant. So we do the vasectomy when boys are 13? 10? As soon as they hit puberty? Instead of holding people accountable?

[Flow]

Originally Posted by seth

They can sometimes be reversed. This is about accountability. They gave up their right to their autonomy by their actions. Kids get girls pregnant. So we do the vasectomy when boys are 13? 10? As soon as they hit puberty? Instead of holding people accountable?

There are many ways of holding someone accountable that don’t require out right blanket bans on abortions though surely? An also why should a women at 9 weeks pregnant have to keep said child because someone else’s considers it a small such. I have two children an don’t consider that’s life, or no more then I do a germinated seedling. If I ripped it out at 9 weeks it wouldn’t be anything but blood and fluids. It’s potential to me is time travel, hearsay, hyperthetifal but mostly pointless. In its present it is nothing but potential.

Now that’s my opinion? But why should I have my rights taken away because ignorance your different opinion? I agree to you having one, but it shouldn’t interfere with my autonomy over my body?

[boof]

Originally Posted by seth

Abortion bills are about dealing the consequences of actions

hahahaha