ay bernie completely torched this fox news townhall i'm in disbelief

[Diode]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

huh


new york state made it legal to "abort" a baby up to, and after birth. the determination is made by doctors assessing the "health" of the mother. they broadened that definition from the mothers life being at risk, to all factors involved with "health". like mental/psychological health. so its basically a judgement call. virginia and other states are going the same direction if i remember right.

this is the spun version of things and not the intent of the law. further, attempt to use loose language to allow late term abortions due to things like mental health would be blocked in the courts as Roe takes precedent.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Diode

this is the spun version of things and not the intent of the law. further, attempt to use loose language to allow late term abortions due to things like mental health would be blocked in the courts as Roe takes precedent.

Definitely not the intent of the law, but they made no effort to tighten the wording in a way that would have made perfect sense for their intent. Have you read the official passed article in NY?

[Diode]

Originally Posted by seth

Definitely not the intent of the law, but they made no effort to tighten the wording in a way that would have made perfect sense for their intent. Have you read the official passed article in NY?

Yes. Legislation is about negotiation. Sometimes leaving language on the looser end of things is the only way to get it passed and the chips fall where they may when challenges come.

Better to pass it and deal with suits/appeals than pass nothing and have zero protections in place. Kind of the like what happened with the Violence Against Women Act expiring.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Diode

Yes. Legislation is about negotiation. Sometimes leaving language on the looser end of things is the only way to get it passed and the chips fall where they may when challenges come.

Better to pass it and deal with suits/appeals than pass nothing and have zero protections in place. Kind of the like what happened with the Violence Against Women Act expiring.

Fair. Just seems illogical to worry about if you and others with this outlook give federal law enough power to say it’ll stop the loopholes from happening but you left loopholes for a fight against a law that by that logic you cannot fight anyway.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by seth

Fair. Just seems illogical to worry about if you and others with this outlook give federal law enough power to say it’ll stop the loopholes from happening but you left loopholes for a fight against a law that by that logic you cannot fight anyway.

You're correct.

Welcome to politics.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Originally Posted by Diode

You're correct.

Welcome to politics.

Okay. I don’t appreciate the tone implying this will show me the woke concept of how politics work. If you’re okay with just shrugging your shoulders at things that’s cool. I’ll remain a person that thinks deeper than that.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by seth

Okay. I don’t appreciate the tone implying this will show me the woke concept of how politics work. If you’re okay with just shrugging your shoulders at things that’s cool. I’ll remain a person that thinks deeper than that.

There's nothing woke about it. Politics (particularly post-Citizens United American politics) is a war of attrition and logic is rarely involved in legislation, adjudication, or execution of anything. It's the ultimate stage of "fuck you, i got mine" and "what have you done for me lately?"

Which is why I decided to forgo using my degree on that stage. A lot of it still carries plenty of value in sales, though. Just a smaller stage is all.