Alright here's my pseudo-philosophical thought: I don't believe in truly 'free' will

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Originally Posted by Ghost1

but yea I don't think the idea that our genetics and social constructs shape us takes away the functionality of free will. in a society of however many billion people operating with conscious and unconscious cognitive processes that we barely even understand, the theory over simplifies an irreducibly complex system.

basically youd have to say if we reset the earth to day one that every single event would occur the same leading up to the present.....I don't think our minds are so simply considered to agree with this

Oh, it's so much less grand than that. All I'd say is if you reset any decision you've made 100 times with the same conditions, you'd make the same decision every time... Which... Duh... But I'm looking at what that implies

Originally Posted by Ghost1

so what should we call it instead... kinda free will...

I was thinking 'free-ish'. I've already alerted the nobel committee

Originally Posted by DMS

If your choice isn’t a choice, but more so a reflection of outside factors which effect your decision making, the outside factors being reflected seem to determine your decision, no? If not then you could say we have free will.

But then you're getting into your perception of those outside factors, which is unique to you and shaped by who you already are. So those things happening I out of your control as is how you see them/grow from them