Alright here's my pseudo-philosophical thought: I don't believe in truly 'free' will

[Ghost1]

oh an I thought the deterministic theory was already debunked in studies on identical and fraternal twins separated at birth

its nature vs nurture

there is intrinsic behavioral cognitive capabilities that are completely hereditary and ignore external stimuli as evidenced in the studies on the twins who were raised in completely separate environments and essentially became the same people

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Ghost1

oh an I thought the deterministic theory was already debunked in studies on identical and fraternal twins separated at birth

its nature vs nurture

there is intrinsic behavioral cognitive capabilities that are completely hereditary and ignore external stimuli as evidenced in the studies on the twins who were raised in completely separate environments and essentially became the same people

Determinism is that our actions our determined, it says nothing about what the determiner is.

[veritas]

Guys,

Work has become super busy. I have not forgotten this. I do not want to rush my words. I will be back.

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by DMS

I’d argue all those outside factors effect our emotional side, not our rational one, or our logical one(we don’t think differently, in terms of logic, just that we think with less logical thought), so we still choose are actions, because we act through will not passion. If you act off of passion and not logic, I suppose you could say you didn’t “choose” what you based your action on, but you still decided to act how you did. “Free-will” is just being able to choose your actions by yourself. If not the universe is deterministic, which can’t be true because we have reason.

But it's not deterministic. Think of what goes on when making a decision - every variable is already in place and your choice isn't so much a choice as it is a reflection of that

Originally Posted by Ghost1

oh an I thought the deterministic theory was already debunked in studies on identical and fraternal twins separated at birth

its nature vs nurture

there is intrinsic behavioral cognitive capabilities that are completely hereditary and ignore external stimuli as evidenced in the studies on the twins who were raised in completely separate environments and essentially became the same people

I'm a bad explainer, but I'm not subscribed to any sort of determinism. It's just nature + nurture are things that are beyond your control

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Sharp

But it's not deterministic. Think of what goes on when making a decision - every variable is already in place and your choice isn't so much a choice as it is a reflection of that



I'm a bad explainer, but I'm not subscribed to any sort of determinism. It's just nature + nurture are things that are beyond your control

If your choice isn’t a choice, but more so a reflection of outside factors which effect your decision making, the outside factors being reflected seem to determine your decision, no? If not then you could say we have free will.

[Ghost1]

thanks for the definition from the fagot taking highschool philosophy courses

whatever the fuck form of determinism fagot sharp is arguing in the OP k thanks pussy

[Ghost1]

de·ter·min·ism.
.

[dəˈtərməˌnizəm]







NOUN


philosophy
.


the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by Ghost1

de·ter·min·ism.
.

[dəˈtərməˌnizəm]







NOUN


philosophy
.


the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.

I too have googled it. I'm saying I belive in free will, but since everything that would lead us to our decisions is beyond our control, truly 'free' will is almost a misnomer

[Ghost1]

Originally Posted by Sharp

I too have googled it. I'm saying I belive in free will, but since everything that would lead us to our decisions is beyond our control, truly 'free' will is almost a misnomer

so what should we call it instead... kinda free will...

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by Ghost1

but yea I don't think the idea that our genetics and social constructs shape us takes away the functionality of free will. in a society of however many billion people operating with conscious and unconscious cognitive processes that we barely even understand, the theory over simplifies an irreducibly complex system.

basically youd have to say if we reset the earth to day one that every single event would occur the same leading up to the present.....I don't think our minds are so simply considered to agree with this

Oh, it's so much less grand than that. All I'd say is if you reset any decision you've made 100 times with the same conditions, you'd make the same decision every time... Which... Duh... But I'm looking at what that implies

Originally Posted by Ghost1

so what should we call it instead... kinda free will...

I was thinking 'free-ish'. I've already alerted the nobel committee

Originally Posted by DMS

If your choice isn’t a choice, but more so a reflection of outside factors which effect your decision making, the outside factors being reflected seem to determine your decision, no? If not then you could say we have free will.

But then you're getting into your perception of those outside factors, which is unique to you and shaped by who you already are. So those things happening I out of your control as is how you see them/grow from them

[Ghost1]

but yea I don't think the idea that our genetics and social constructs shape us takes away the functionality of free will. in a society of however many billion people operating with conscious and unconscious cognitive processes that we barely even understand, the theory over simplifies an irreducibly complex system.

basically youd have to say if we reset the earth to day one that every single event would occur the same leading up to the present.....I don't think our minds are so simply considered to agree with this

[uh-oh]

everything happen(s)(ed) at once

time is a fallacy

[veritas]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

everything happen(s)(ed) at once

time is a fallacy

In the higher dimensions yes. That is why what I said works.

[DMS]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

everything happen(s)(ed) at once

time is a fallacy

Understand the physical universe’s laws aren’t necessary, none-contingent facts.

[Exis]

@Sharp, I lost myself fam...Don't drink & text lol.

[Diode]

guys i saw willie nelson last night

man can he still sing and play

and his kid is a mean blue guitarist

[DMS]

Originally Posted by Diode

guys i saw willie nelson last night

man can he still sing and play

and his kid is a mean blue guitarist

Thas pretty dope fam

[Amen]

@Destroyer - what are your thoughts?

[Destroyer]

Using my free will to not share them

[Amen]

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