Here's an odd, theological sort of question for debate

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Originally Posted by oats

so you believe in a different definition, then?

and we really aren't defining them differently, I'm just being more specific in its boundaries. you say anything greater than 0% certainty does not count as a belief, I'm saying anything less than 100% certain involves belief. There is a greater rationale for my boundaries, but you're free to believe what you want ;)

That's not really what I'm saying tho, what I'm saying is that belief is for things for which we have no evidence, anyone saying they believe aliens exist is wrong, they should be saying it is extremely likely that aliens exist, belief is an acceptance of something that can not be proven, I don't accept anything that can not be proven, I don't believe I will wake in the morning, I think it is likely I will wake in the morning, but if I said I believed it I would be saying that in my mind it is true, which would be incorrect. Anybody saying they believe in God is saying that his existence is definitely true, which again is incorrect. If you believe anything you can not see, you are wrong in having that belief, even if it turns out to be true, you shouldn't believe it if you can't see it. Once you see it, it becomes knowledge and you don't need belief anymore. That's what I meant when I said about people who talk about their belief that god exists, they shouldn't believe god exists they should either know he exists or think it is likely he exists, belief is the acceptance of something as truth without any reason or evidence behind it.