Low level atheists

[Split]

Originally Posted by Diode

lol @ nonrhyming format

i would love to see one of your failboats recorded to audio

please regale us

you are as text as text gets dude

congrats on reading my archive from my early 20s. i am married. no more for you.

i can still beat u in a match, tho

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Mael

@Diode, the image you posted is a classic unsophisticated atheist attempt at proving the absurdity of intelligent design. Reminds me of the kid's game "which image does not belong?".

No, it was a joke.

And quite a funny joke too btw.

Until it was ruined.

[Frank Metts]

Originally Posted by Scripter

Religion in my opinion is nothing more then a form of government, which means to restrict...
Religion is man made....

Religions use to be mob like gangs ... Follow us or die, defy us and get stoned, decapitated or crucified in the name of OUR lord type shit ... Not just the Jesus was crucified story, many men were embarrassed in that sense but they really never used crosses just stakes, the cross, some think was a man made addition to the Jesus story other believe it to be 100% true.

It's funny back then health wasn't a top bill for everyone, in some of the story of Abraham he and his wife live to be almost 200, he cheated on his wife and them his mistress became jealous, his son born out of wedlock was a bad kid etc etc ... Infidelity is bad , see where this is going?

It's a guide in some senses to decypher good from bad. Abraham just happens to be a part is islams, Jewish and Christian faith lol

[Mael]

@Frank Metts @Scripter

To me, religion and theism are not the same thing. I'm not religious, I don't hold any absolute moral beliefs and I'm clearly not a person who's ethically sound.

The reason I believe in God is because I figured he's the lesser of two evils. It's either you believe the Universe came from nothing, which to me is absolutely incomprehensibly stupid - OR, that there exists this thing of a nature we cannot understand that had always existed - a background, underlying, axiomatic system. Science doesn't want to admit that the Zero-point field is a cleverly disguised goosestep from the fact that it's either one or the other, but then again, people need something to lean on.

There is more basis of reason and a higher probability that your entire generation of dead relatives will rise from the dead tomorrow then there is a complex Universe arising out of the fabric of the void's non-existing baseless paradigm of nothingness.

[veritas]

you are a devil basically.

[Mael]

@The Mind Assassin

I can't call myself a Christian because there's a whole bunch of baggage that comes with it. People have a preconception of what I believe, my motives and worst - they expect me to act a certain way that mirrors the life of Christ. I can't do that, straight up. I also see horrendous hypocrisy in the church, so if I'm going to believe in God I'll keep my relationship with Him personal.

I know what you're thinking. It's not about me, it's about Him. Try convincing the billions of atheists and non-Christians with that one, buddy.

[veritas]

lolzord...that wasnt what I was thinking at all.....

[veritas]

JAMES 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.




admitting we can never live like Christ did is the start homey. And thus the realization of just how bad we are...and how much we need him.

as for church I feel you. I personally hate what church has become, but you should find one where you can actually learn that espouses doctrine. we are commanded not to forsake the gathering together.....but I also know that alot of what is called church is worse than the bars.

Christianity is a fellowship, not a religion. True Chrisitianity is blameless.

[Ryan 12]

High lvl theist/atheist

Low lvl human/overall person

[veritas]

thats the point....

because only the close to God know how far they are.

rofllfllzllelazllzzz

[Scripter]

Originally Posted by Mael

@Frank Metts @Scripter

To me, religion and theism are not the same thing. I'm not religious, I don't hold any absolute moral beliefs and I'm clearly not a person who's ethically sound.

The reason I believe in God is because I figured he's the lesser of two evils. It's either you believe the Universe came from nothing, which to me is absolutely incomprehensibly stupid - OR, that there exists this thing of a nature we cannot understand that had always existed - a background, underlying, axiomatic system. Science doesn't want to admit that the Zero-point field is a cleverly disguised goosestep from the fact that it's either one or the other, but then again, people need something to lean on.

There is more basis of reason and a higher probability that your entire generation of dead relatives will rise from the dead tomorrow then there is a complex Universe arising out of the fabric of the void's non-existing baseless paradigm of nothingness.

Even Eisenstein believed in God

[Diode]

Originally Posted by Split Eight

i can still beat u in a match, tho

depends on who votes.

[Witty]

The bible is a book of morals and oral history, it contains a lot of truth but i don't think it is THE truth, you can be a good moral person and not believe in what the bible says. It is also a work of art and one of the greatest books ever written by mankind, but that kinda gets ignored. It is full of superstition of the times because it was written by the people of those times, we are of more advanced times and know a lot of those superstitions and beliefs to be untrue, I find it hard to understand why people choose to ignore that, I hope there is a God but if there is I highly doubt he would be the one from the bible, or any other religious book...there are hundreds of religions that say ONLY they are right, but only one can be.

@Veritas if you were born in Afghanistan what religion would you be?

Does God love the Western World more and only they get to know because they are better?

What about relatively unknown tribes who know nothing of Christianity...they don't get a chance to go to heaven because of where they happened to be born?

Or do we create these things because we know there is something that we still haven't explained so really all of the worlds religions are just trying to find an explanation for the mystery that is our existence and the existence of the universe itself?

[Mael]

Originally Posted by Witty

@Veritas if you were born in Afghanistan what religion would you be?

If you were born in the early 15th century, what scientific theory of gravity would you subscribe to? Oh wait, that's right - those theories (general relativity, string theory, entropic gravity, quantum gravity etc.) didn't even exist yet.

The genetic fallacy, also known as fallacy of origins, fallacy of virtue,[1] is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's origin rather than its current meaning or context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

Like I said in the OP, step your game up before you spew ns, bro.

[Mael]

Better yet, if you were born in 300 BC you'd still believe the earth was flat because at the time that was mainstream science.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Mael

Better yet, in you were born in 300 BC you'd still believe the earth was flat because at the time that was mainstream science.

Yeah? And you would be wrong...I don't understand your point.

What I am saying is that not all religions can be correct, the religion you believe usually is dictated by where you live, so why has god chosen to spread his message in one place but not others?

Why do some people know about him but others don't if he is god and is everywhere?

Your argument was 'if you were born here you would have believed this'

Which is exactly my point, what we believe is dictated by where we live and when we live, and it is not necessarily the truth just because it happens to be believed there and then.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

[uh-oh]

lol at the mael fael tag

but yo atheists are just as dumb as religious people in my eyes.

and so are agnostics and everyone. I am everything

[Mael]

Why would I agree with you and then post a quote and link to the genetic fallacy? Did you not catch how I was rivaling the simplicity of your logic? (As I did with Diode's)

MY point was that if we're going to take your road of reasoning, then everything we are is thus a result of our immediate external environment, e.g. All Irishmen are Catholics, which is clearly false, hence the quote and link. To some extent, however, we can use that logic, but it's nothing concrete. Choice birthed from freewill influenced by common-sense, skepticism, intuition and rebellion makes your argument invalid.

Why do some people know about him but others don't if he is god and is everywhere?

I've heard of stories of rural tribes in Papua New Guinea who have zero contact with the outside world, have never been visited by missionaries, but speak of a man of the son of God they now worship after years of witchcraft and cannibalism.

Which is exactly my point, what we believe is dictated by where we live and when we live

Yes and no. Thanks to skepticism, people attempt to influence the external world through internal analysis. E.g. your family is Muslim, you have doubts, you become an atheist - what you believe, is therefore, not dictated by "where we live and when we live" as you simply put.

[Mael]

I don't believe those stories though.