Why are backpackers so angry when hip hop artists sell well?!

[ill nik-A]

So ure making urself the more intelligent because u write opinionated paragraphs which are ridiculous

U stupid as fuck my nigga

[Certain]

My favorite nerd rapper is Pharoahe Monch.

[ill nik-A]

He's not a nerd rapper... He's been around since organized konfusion just got stuck in time

[Certain]

Originally Posted by ill nik-A

He's not a nerd rapper... He's been around since organized konfusion just got stuck in time

But he's rapping about science. That seems pretty nerdy.

[ill nik-A]

Haven't listened to his new shit... But I'm sorry to hear?

[Certain]

Originally Posted by ill nik-A

Haven't listened to his new shit... But I'm sorry to hear?

That was from his (well, Organized Konfusion's) first album.

How about this: There may be nerd rap, and there may be backpacker rap, and those may be genres within rap, and rap is fundamentally part of hip hop, but in the end, if you can rap well, you can rap well, and we have different tastes that defines what that is, and this shit is stupid.

I like heavy metal.

[ill nik-A]

Those times are over with, notice I said stuck in time

But yea besides this thread was a reaction to the jay z bashing one... If u don't wanna read my opinion don't bash mine

Holler

[Certain]

Originally Posted by ill nik-A

Those times are over with, notice I said stuck in time

But yea besides this thread was a reaction to the jay z bashing one... If u don't wanna read my opinion don't bash mine

Holler

I think what happened was DeadLion and Death said unintelligent shit, and you overreacted in response. My three favorite rappers are (and I almost hate saying this because it's so fucking cliché) Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. and Nas. But that doesn't mean I can't listen to Vakill use five-syllable words in battle rap or Aesop Rock break down the dying blue-collar labor industry.

[ill nik-A]

Originally Posted by Certain Serpent

I think what happened was DeadLion and Death said unintelligent shit, and you overreacted in response. My three favorite rappers are (and I almost hate saying this because it's so fucking cliché) Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. and Nas. But that doesn't mean I can't listen to Vakill use five-syllable words in battle rap or Aesop Rock break down the dying blue-collar labor industry.

And that's cool

[God Of War]

Originally Posted by Certain Serpent

I think what happened was DeadLion and Death said unintelligent shit, and you overreacted in response. My three favorite rappers are (and I almost hate saying this because it's so fucking cliché) Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. and Nas. But that doesn't mean I can't listen to Vakill use five-syllable words in battle rap or Aesop Rock break down the dying blue-collar labor industry.

I think nik is talking bout the faggots who get Whiney over the fact jay sells 10 million and mc fucksto n the fish bowl five only sells 3 albums cuz they write about window seal lightning bugs

[God Of War]

I agree with nik and dull boy just cuz u can't structure a rhyme don't mean you are the authority on hip hop

[dull boy]

Nik is discredited and exposed as an idiot. Think we can close the thread now.


Holler.

[ill nik-A]

Originally Posted by dull boy

Nik is discredited and exposed as an idiot. Think we can close the thread now.


Holler.

Lemme guess ur paragraphs did that? If anything I made u look like a peon to me

Ure a nobody

[uh-oh]

backpackers are mad at dudes like jay z because they can't make a project that would appeal to the masses like jay can

they are forever destined to have a small minority of fans

its like if one dude was a painter, who painted everything super realistic and technical. and then another guy is a painter, who doesnt go as indepth in the realism of it, but makes a more visually appealing painting.

the guy with the more visually appealing painting is gonna sell more paintings. the dude who put all his time and energy into painting a picture of a building that looks like a photo gets butthurt. he looks at this other simple painting thats outselling him, and he's like wtf, anyone can do that.

but anyone can't. because if he tried to do that he would fail.

the same way jay z would fail if he tried to put out a talib kweli album

[Inno]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

backpackers are mad at dudes like jay z because they can't make a project that would appeal to the masses like jay can

they are forever destined to have a small minority of fans

its like if one dude was a painter, who painted everything super realistic and technical. and then another guy is a painter, who doesnt go as indepth in the realism of it, but makes a more visually appealing painting.

the guy with the more visually appealing painting is gonna sell more paintings. the dude who put all his time and energy into painting a picture of a building that looks like a photo gets butthurt. he looks at this other simple painting thats outselling him, and he's like wtf, anyone can do that.

but anyone can't. because if he tried to do that he would fail.

the same way jay z would fail if he tried to put out a talib kweli album

Doesnt this point to the audience more than anythimg?


So basically the more easy to apeal painting gets attention...the ome done
With les effort and commitment gets praised...while the person who worked
Hard spent time detailimg every line and every color gets pushed to the side.

So effectively. ..the hard worker worked hard just so some one
Who half assed it can take the glory.

Shit sounds fucked man lol

[Certain]

Originally Posted by Innovator

Doesnt this point to the audience more than anythimg?

So basically the more easy to apeal painting gets attention...the ome done
With les effort and commitment gets praised...while the person who worked
Hard spent time detailimg every line and every color gets pushed to the side.

So effectively. ..the hard worker worked hard just so some one
Who half assed it can take the glory.

Shit sounds fucked man lol

It ain't like that.



It's not easy to make something with mass appeal. But it's also not easy to make something that intellectually matters. These are difficult things. Becoming a career rapper is not easy (unless you have friends in high places who carry your ass; right, Cappadonna?).

So when Wiz Khalifa drops his next banger and you think to yourself, "I could write something way better than that," you're looking at it wrong. You (assumingly) don't have the charisma to pull off what Wiz Khalifa is doing. You don't have the swagger or the understanding of what's going to work.

It's the same shit across all genres. Max Martin, the guy who wrote a lot of the biggest boy band songs of the late 1990s (Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, etc.), is a fucking genius for his dynamic understanding of the mainstream market. But his songs on paper read like they were written in crayon by a 12-year-old girl. That's kind of the point. No one did it better than him at the time, in that genre.

Now, in order to make music that permeates pop culture in such a way that it has real staying power, you have to find a balance. Jay Z did that better than anyone ever. That's why he gets that title as the best ever, because he reached almost everyone who would ever listen to rap (and some people who wouldn't) and made music that can stand on its skill ("Meet the Parents," "D'Evils," "Public Service Announcement," etc.) and music that just bangs for the common folk ("Empire State of Mind," "Big Pimpin'," "99 Problems," etc.). And on top of that, unlike Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac (though it's easy to say they would have, there's no real proof), he did it for years. That is not an easy thing to do.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Certain Serpent

It ain't like that.



It's not easy to make something with mass appeal. But it's also not easy to make something that intellectually matters. These are difficult things. Becoming a career rapper is not easy (unless you have friends in high places who carry your ass; right, Cappadonna?).

So when Wiz Khalifa drops his next banger and you think to yourself, "I could write something way better than that," you're looking at it wrong. You (assumingly) don't have the charisma to pull off what Wiz Khalifa is doing. You don't have the swagger or the understanding of what's going to work.

It's the same shit across all genres. Max Martin, the guy who wrote a lot of the biggest boy band songs of the late 1990s (Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, etc.), is a fucking genius for his dynamic understanding of the mainstream market. But his songs on paper read like they were written in crayon by a 12-year-old girl. That's kind of the point. No one did it better than him at the time, in that genre.

Now, in order to make music that permeates pop culture in such a way that it has real staying power, you have to find a balance. Jay Z did that better than anyone ever. That's why he gets that title as the best ever, because he reached almost everyone who would ever listen to rap (and some people who wouldn't) and made music that can stand on its skill ("Meet the Parents," "D'Evils," "Public Service Announcement," etc.) and music that just bangs for the common folk ("Empire State of Mind," "Big Pimpin'," "99 Problems," etc.). And on top of that, unlike Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac (though it's easy to say they would have, there's no real proof), he did it for years. That is not an easy thing to do.

word

this is what i was trying to say with my last post

im just stoned and a self proclaimed idiot. so there is that.

[Inno]

Originally Posted by Certain Serpent

It ain't like that.



It's not easy to make something with mass appeal. But it's also not easy to make something that intellectually matters. These are difficult things. Becoming a career rapper is not easy (unless you have friends in high places who carry your ass; right, Cappadonna?).

So when Wiz Khalifa drops his next banger and you think to yourself, "I could write something way better than that," you're looking at it wrong. You (assumingly) don't have the charisma to pull off what Wiz Khalifa is doing. You don't have the swagger or the understanding of what's going to work.

It's the same shit across all genres. Max Martin, the guy who wrote a lot of the biggest boy band songs of the late 1990s (Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, etc.), is a fucking genius for his dynamic understanding of the mainstream market. But his songs on paper read like they were written in crayon by a 12-year-old girl. That's kind of the point. No one did it better than him at the time, in that genre.

Now, in order to make music that permeates pop culture in such a way that it has real staying power, you have to find a balance. Jay Z did that better than anyone ever. That's why he gets that title as the best ever, because he reached almost everyone who would ever listen to rap (and some people who wouldn't) and made music that can stand on its skill ("Meet the Parents," "D'Evils," "Public Service Announcement," etc.) and music that just bangs for the common folk ("Empire State of Mind," "Big Pimpin'," "99 Problems," etc.). And on top of that, unlike Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac (though it's easy to say they would have, there's no real proof), he did it for years. That is not an easy thing to do.

word to @Certain Serpent and @uh-oh

good shit...wasn't trying to argue more so trying to understand where both of you where coming from a little better...I understand what yall saying I just thought that's what you guys meant...

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Innovator

Doesnt this point to the audience more than anythimg?


So basically the more easy to apeal painting gets attention...the ome done
With les effort and commitment gets praised...while the person who worked
Hard spent time detailimg every line and every color gets pushed to the side.

So effectively. ..the hard worker worked hard just so some one
Who half assed it can take the glory.

Shit sounds fucked man lol

making the more visually appealing painting is just as difficult as making the detailed realistic painting. its just different skillsets at play.

on websites like these, and with hip hop fans in general, who try to participate in the hip hop culture, they want to be real in depth

the same way if i wanted to be a painter, when i pick up a paint brush i'm gonna try and paint something that looks real. so when i inevitably fail, im gonna look at those painters who can paint realistically, and admire them for being able to do something that i can't.

but those same painters would never be able to dumb down there paintings in a way that the masses would like it like the other guy can.

because the same effort he put into making those paintings, the other guy put into making his paintings seem effortless

i think im too deep in metaphor land so let me simplify it.

it is just as difficult to make a jay z record as it is to make an underground acclaimed hip hop record. none of them could everrrrr make a blueprint. and jay z could never make an underground classic.

they both take ridiculous skill, and in my opinion it takes more skill to make a commercially successful project, than it does to make an underground classic

the people i like blend both worlds. to me its just as corny to like gucci mane as it is to like aesop rock.