Clinton vs Trump, who would you vote for if it comes down to this?

[MC Fussy]

make puerto rico a state. rock the boat. rock the vote.
statehood for american samoa.
whatever.

[Objective]

Trump supporters, y'all agree with this shit?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...entions-221394

Just wondering. Thought this thread needed a revival after this.

[Blanco Bishop]

We fucked either way...

One tells u he would tear shit up

The other portrays democratic values but is responsible for massive amounts of deaths that have benefited her n her cronies pockets.

[PancakeBrah]

Trump is a candidate for extremely stupid and extremely pseud people. Any change, or disruption, you think he represents is ridiculous. He's a hack opportunist. Hillary is a shit but at least she knows what the fuck nukes are meant for. Trump's outward persona is blustery ignorance for a very specific, drilled in audience. Dumb people think he actually could make them rich. Pseud people think he's chaos, an atom bomb perfectly formed that will make all those "crooked politicians' realize the "people" won't stand for "this shit" any longer(!!!(HAHA!)). By himself, in a room alone, he's a fucking little person with insecurities that dominate any other thought. He's a poor businessman running on the momentum of his reputation as business man. He's a man hopelessly trying to understand anything about politics running as an outsider. He's a man who's shocked he won the primary who carries a constituent that loves him only because he's shocked by nothing. He's a fucking morning radio shock jock, given a bigger platform. He's already planted the seeds for the excuses of his loss, he doesn't even want this. And if he somehow got the presidency he would either do ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE THINGS his base thinks he will do (while talking dope ass, nothing ass State of the Unions with a team of hairsprayers working active team, on screen) or he'll nuke some fuck ass country like Trinidad and Tobago because their 3rd highest ranking official subtweeted him. What's hilarious is that if the Republicans had just figured out a way to get a normal fucking human being with political knowledge into the primary, and she/he'd won, they would have won by a fuckton LANDSLIDE against Hillary.

Trump forever faggot. I hope his loss fuels his ridiculous insecurities to the point he joins this site and starts writing fucking Open Mics.

[I <3 DICK PT.2]

Lol I'm starting to like you Dancake

[uh-oh]

not a trump "supporter" yet i agree whole heartedly. the problem is we aren't at WAR. these are weirdo conflicts where we invade sovereign nations to fight groups within that nation, and not the nation itself.

i'm all for civilians not being rounded up and slaughtered, or just killed recklessly and non descript like. these conflicts become ridiculous because of that fact. we aren't at war with afghanistan, iraq, syria, libya, yemen pakistan you name it. we're at war with "radicals" within these nations

if we weren't restricted by all this nonsense, i don't think we would be there. it would lead to us actually leaving

i dont know though, i've talked with veterans and the shit is fucked. dude i worked with for a little whiles base was attacked in afghanistan. giant truck pulled up and blew the place up at the gates, his bunk/barracks or what have you was near enough that the concussive force fucked him. other than being blinky and twitchy he seemed well enough, but he was talking about when they went out ranging and shit they would see hostiles up in the hills running from them, they would be carrying munitions, clear as day, but not engaging them, so they were ordered to follow and basically wait until they shot at them, when they came up on top of a hill there was a hut and a little farming area and there was like 7, 20 year old afghan men, no women or children anywhere, all pretending to be hoe-ing the ground, they were compliant and after a search of the hut they found ak's and all that shit, to which they pleaded ignorance to, and said someone put it there. they took the weapons, but had to leave them be.

they watched them run away with weapons were ordered to follow, found the weapons and had to leave them be. thats nonsense. everything has to be relayed through radio with superiors before doing anything, with the exception of them being shot at. how retarded is that. those dudes lived to fight another day, and probably killed americans/english/canadians whoever else is out there. couldve been murked running away up a hill.

thats why if they didnt have to come under the scrutiny for every round they fire progress could actually be made.

the difference is they are at WAR with INVADERS. we are at "war" with an ideology. its stupid.

i'm in favor of getting out, and when we do declare war, its actual war. there is a reason we firebombed japan. there is a reason we nuked japan. we were at war with the nation, and what is a nation if it isn't the people? war is killing people. if we become so advanced that our militaries are literal robots, do you think we would send our robots to kill their robots?

ITS FUCKING WAR

[PancakeBrah]

Good article for those with the attention span for it

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...insane/485570/

[Blanco Bishop]

Originally Posted by PancakeBrah

Good article for those with the attention span for it

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...insane/485570/

Ive read it before.

But how do we go back?

[Adonis]

Voting Gary Johnson

Close thread

[PancakeBrah]

Yo i need some netcees overlord to give me a stat on how often an Adonis post is the worst post in a thread.

This motherfucker is hitting like .780 in that category.

[uh-oh]

Originally Posted by Objective

Trump supporters, y'all agree with this shit?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...entions-221394

Just wondering. Thought this thread needed a revival after this.

reading again they seem to be only touching on the torture aspects, not as much rules of engagement and shit. im not big on torture for the simple fact you can torture a person to say anything. for every bit of factual intel you get you're gonna get a load of malarkey. i'm a dummy citizen though so i don't really know how effective it could be.

when it comes to rules of engagement though just look throughout history for countless examples where being the "better" nation fails. from the "chivalry" times with knights being shredded by the "dishonorable" longbowmen, to the mongols and huns, and even before that to bc times, with roman infantry being slaughtered by parthians. going in expecting a battle where the lines meet, but they parthians just ride up to the heavy infantry of romans, pepper them with arrows and ride away firing more never engaging.

but again its stupid the "wars" we are in. we cant just ride in burn crops and houses. we can't indiscriminately kill a town etc.

reading caesars conquest of gaul for the bazillionth time, and just think about the fact that if you harbored militants he would burn your fields and town, and take all the people they didnt slaughter as slaves. in 2016 it seems terrible. but it was war. you have to deprive the enemy of its will to fight. we do the opposite, and give them more reasons to fight by trying to be tactical and just end up being inefficient.

there is no winning this war.

even look to vietnam, where america was BODYING vietcong. the body count was ridiculously in favor of america, but the images and horrors of war were broadcast, stories of innocent villages being burned got to the hippies and liberals, and when a people doesn't support a war the war is lost. we aren't so different from our ancient ancestors as everyone would like to think. genetically we are exactly the same. our social norms have changed sure, but if the softhearted in rome, the great britain empire, the spanish, french you name the conquerer if there people were shown the horrors of war the war machine would have lost all support.

thats why we are failing in all these conflicts. the people don't support them anymore.

george bush had support initially, we went to war with iraq itself to depose sadaam, and did so. there was bombing of cities. sieges of cities. everything that actually resembled war. now we use tactical strikes that resemble nothing precedented in history. its really a campaign of terror where if a drone strike doesn't kill you like a lightning bolt from zeus himself, a tactical squad will kick the door down to kill and capture a name off a list that only gets longer

ITS NONSENSE AT BEST MATE.

[Blanco Bishop]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

reading again they seem to be only touching on the torture aspects, not as much rules of engagement and shit. im not big on torture for the simple fact you can torture a person to say anything. for every bit of factual intel you get you're gonna get a load of malarkey. i'm a dummy citizen though so i don't really know how effective it could be.

when it comes to rules of engagement though just look throughout history for countless examples where being the "better" nation fails. from the "chivalry" times with knights being shredded by the "dishonorable" longbowmen, to the mongols and huns, and even before that to bc times, with roman infantry being slaughtered by parthians. going in expecting a battle where the lines meet, but they parthians just ride up to the heavy infantry of romans, pepper them with arrows and ride away firing more never engaging.

but again its stupid the "wars" we are in. we cant just ride in burn crops and houses. we can't indiscriminately kill a town etc.

reading caesars conquest of gaul for the bazillionth time, and just think about the fact that if you harbored militants he would burn your fields and town, and take all the people they didnt slaughter as slaves. in 2016 it seems terrible. but it was war. you have to deprive the enemy of its will to fight. we do the opposite, and give them more reasons to fight by trying to be tactical and just end up being inefficient.

there is no winning this war.

even look to vietnam, where america was BODYING vietcong. the body count was ridiculously in favor of america, but the images and horrors of war were broadcast, stories of innocent villages being burned got to the hippies and liberals, and when a people doesn't support a war the war is lost. we aren't so different from our ancient ancestors as everyone would like to think. genetically we are exactly the same. our social norms have changed sure, but if the softhearted in rome, the great britain empire, the spanish, french you name the conquerer if there people were shown the horrors of war the war machine would have lost all support.

thats why we are failing in all these conflicts. the people don't support them anymore.

george bush had support initially, we went to war with iraq itself to depose sadaam, and did so. there was bombing of cities. sieges of cities. everything that actually resembled war. now we use tactical strikes that resemble nothing precedented in history. its really a campaign of terror where if a drone strike doesn't kill you like a lightning bolt from zeus himself, a tactical squad will kick the door down to kill and capture a name off a list that only gets longer

ITS NONSENSE AT BEST MATE.

Ur not getting the point bro.

To these motherfuckers war is not a moral issue.
War is big business.
These neo cons don't give a fuck about ideology. All that is just a front.
Point blank. If we dont address this industrialized military complex, America will always "be at war."
They just keep renaming the enemy.
Communists, Taliban, al quada, ISIS, etc....

[Aero]

Originally Posted by PancakeBrah

Trump is a candidate for extremely stupid and extremely pseud people. Any change, or disruption, you think he represents is ridiculous. He's a hack opportunist. Hillary is a shit but at least she knows what the fuck nukes are meant for. Trump's outward persona is blustery ignorance for a very specific, drilled in audience. Dumb people think he actually could make them rich. Pseud people think he's chaos, an atom bomb perfectly formed that will make all those "crooked politicians' realize the "people" won't stand for "this shit" any longer(!!!(HAHA!)). By himself, in a room alone, he's a fucking little person with insecurities that dominate any other thought. He's a poor businessman running on the momentum of his reputation as business man. He's a man hopelessly trying to understand anything about politics running as an outsider. He's a man who's shocked he won the primary who carries a constituent that loves him only because he's shocked by nothing. He's a fucking morning radio shock jock, given a bigger platform. He's already planted the seeds for the excuses of his loss, he doesn't even want this. And if he somehow got the presidency he would either do ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE THINGS his base thinks he will do (while talking dope ass, nothing ass State of the Unions with a team of hairsprayers working active team, on screen) or he'll nuke some fuck ass country like Trinidad and Tobago because their 3rd highest ranking official subtweeted him. What's hilarious is that if the Republicans had just figured out a way to get a normal fucking human being with political knowledge into the primary, and she/he'd won, they would have won by a fuckton LANDSLIDE against Hillary.

Trump forever faggot. I hope his loss fuels his ridiculous insecurities to the point he joins this site and starts writing fucking Open Mics.

All facts.

[Adonis]

Originally Posted by PancakeBrah

Yo i need some netcees overlord to give me a stat on how often an Adonis post is the worst post in a thread.

This motherfucker is hitting like .780 in that category.

Far superior to the law breaking Hilary and the retarded shock value of trump.

Was elected as a Democrat in the highly Republican state of Texas multiple times, I'd say that should tell you enough. But, he's an actual candidate homie. He's a real person that has done wonderful things for the state of Texas of his full term. His beliefs are in line and identical to Bernie Sanders, so by you saying I know shit you're also saying Bernie would have been a bad choice. Him and Bernie take the same stances except for taxes, which Bernie was crazy and Johnson is slightly less crazy.

Before posting a simple post with no meaning aimed at comedic value understand what you're saying. Clearly you know nothing about him so go vote for the murderous woman or the insane bald guy. At some point, and i believe that point is right now, people need to take a stand and vote third party. This two party system is clearly broken and crooked as Bernie rightfully beat out Hilary in primaries but still lost.

Basically don't come at me with your jokes, you won't like it little man

[Certain]

Originally Posted by Adonis

Far superior to the law breaking Hilary and the retarded shock value of trump.

Was elected as a Democrat in the highly Republican state of Texas multiple times, I'd say that should tell you enough. But, he's an actual candidate homie. He's a real person that has done wonderful things for the state of Texas of his full term. His beliefs are in line and identical to Bernie Sanders, so by you saying I know shit you're also saying Bernie would have been a bad choice. Him and Bernie take the same stances except for taxes, which Bernie was crazy and Johnson is slightly less crazy.

Before posting a simple post with no meaning aimed at comedic value understand what you're saying. Clearly you know nothing about him so go vote for the murderous woman or the insane bald guy. At some point, and i believe that point is right now, people need to take a stand and vote third party. This two party system is clearly broken and crooked as Bernie rightfully beat out Hilary in primaries but still lost.

Basically don't come at me with your jokes, you won't like it little man

Jesus, man, Gary Johnson was the Republican governor of New Mexico. Maybe have some idea of whom you're voting for next time.

[Adonis]

Originally Posted by Certain

Jesus, man, Gary Johnson was the Republican governor of New Mexico. Maybe have some idea of whom you're voting for next time.

My mistake, i miss read one article on some selective reading type shit. But to say I have no clue shows your boarding prowess as well. Sure that was a main point of mine, and wrong, but to pull that alone from the text as evidence over everything else is, well, the easy way to debate and while not dropping any knowledge and going with the usual comedic timing around these parts. No better then a troll certainly.

What happened? You go Google my post and select the one point you could argue and thought that makes you holier then I? Not happening

[Certain]

I didn't need to Google. I just read a profile on Gary Johnson a week ago. It's good, and it might make you like him more: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...arty-candidate

Libertarianism is not at all like socialism, though. Bernie Sanders and Johnson agree on many social issues, but their ideas on domestic and international policy are massively divergent. And as easy as it is to vote based on black-and-white agendas like abortion rights, drug laws and gun control, those are not the most important issues that a president has to deal with.

Johnson and the Libertarians want to privatize all forms of health care and repeal a large chunk of social security. Sanders and the left-most side of the Democratic party want to massively increase those rights.

Libertarians want to dramatically reduce our efforts in organizations like NATO and the UN. Leftists are perhaps a bit divided on that issue but definitely recognize the value of those two organizations.

Libertarians want to create an environment where business owners are less inhibited. Leftists want to protect the employees of those owners, recognizing that most Americans are not business owners.

It's fine if you're Libertarian, but Johnson and Sanders are not running on even similar platforms.

[Witty]

Libertarianism makes sense up to a point...and then it just gets crazy.

[veritas]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...ICS/BODIES.php

here is a list of over 50 people associated with the clintons who have mysteriously died or suicide.

f this world. The simple fact that she even has a chance and isnt in jail is proof that this world is evil.

[veritas]

wait let me ask..we can debate trumps baffonery or merits....but we can all agree no to hillary right? is anyone actually going to vote for hillary hear? please stand up and be taken into account?