Clinton vs Trump, who would you vote for if it comes down to this?

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Veritas the invincible

the point is that ebola would kill you. So you don't let it into your house. ISIS say that they want to kill us, so we don't let them into our house (country) until we get a sure fire way to detect them.

Gotta go with common sense here.

only to the liberal is common sense a fallacy lololol

You realize ISIS members likely to attack in the USA already live in the USA?

Statistically the chances of that hypothetical actually happening are minuscule to the point of irrelevancy.

[veritas]

what are the chances?

[Diode]

Originally Posted by Veritas the invincible

What is the exact limit of Syrian refugees you would be willing to house?

If I had limitless resources, it would be a limitless answer.

This is a stupid q&a though. I am not a nation state.

So you've got that going for you.

Which is nice.

[Witty]

The USA has taken in 784,395 refugees since 9/11...three have been terrorists.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Diode

If I had limitless resources, it would be a limitless answer.

This is a stupid q&a though. I am not a nation state.

So you've got that going for you.

Which is nice.

Great. So then would you take 10 ISIS members into your house?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Witty

The USA has taken in 784,395 refugees since 9/11...three have been terrorists.

what do you mean "have been terrorist"?

[Diode]

Originally Posted by Veritas the invincible

Great. So then would you take 10 ISIS members into your house?

I told you to stop the false equivalencies.

Final warning.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Diode

I told you to stop the false equivalencies.

Final warning.

Would you take 1 ISIS member into your house?

[Mike Wrecka]

Originally Posted by Diode

time to tear down that statue

.

I want a t shirt that says that



Yes my great grandparents came through Ellis Island. BUT, and this is a big difference, the USA wasn't really that great of a place back then. German, Irish and Italian immigrants made this country what it is today. They assimilated and learned the language. They built this country from the ground up. Both my grandfathers fought in WW2, risked their lives for this country. They made this place great.

But instead of the descendants of those people reaping the benefits this great nation is being raped by immigrants that come here, don't learn the language, expect us to assimilate to them and take our money and send it back to their country. It's time to close the borders. We are past capacity. Americans are suffering.

[Witty]

Dead @ past capacity.

Holy shit.

[Mike Wrecka]

Walk through any part of NYC. Then tell me how much room we have here.

[Diode]

Originally Posted by Mike Wrecka

Walk through any part of NYC. Then tell me how much room we have here.

please tell me this is a joke.

this is a long con troll.

this has to be.

[Mike Wrecka]

You seem to be so out of touch with reality that I fear there is no reasoning with you.

Do you think it's possible that your success has shielded you from the atrocities I speak of? I'm sure all is peachy keen at your country club.

So many people in my family hAve been laid off from jobs and replaced by someone that doesn't speak English and will work for dirt cheap. They work for cheap because they live twenty to a house and just funnel money back to their family in Guatemala or whatever have you. They don't put down roots. They just steal jobs and then leave when they had their fill

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Mike Wrecka

Walk through any part of NYC. Then tell me how much room we have here.

NYC = America?

I see.

The REFUGEES (not illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers) are spread across the United States, a nation in which there is PLENTY of room.

Also, America takes hardly any refugees compared to others nations, including nations really not very well off. They are running from wars America helped start, they are running FROM ISIS, who btw would rather they didn't as it doesn't suit their vision of their caliphate being a refuge for Muslims.

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Mike Wrecka

You seem to be so out of touch with reality that I fear there is no reasoning with you.

Do you think it's possible that your success has shielded you from the atrocities I speak of? I'm sure all is peachy keen at your country club.

So many people in my family hAve been laid off from jobs and replaced by someone that doesn't speak English and will work for dirt cheap. They work for cheap because they live twenty to a house and just funnel money back to their family in Guatemala or whatever have you. They don't put down roots. They just steal jobs and then leave when they had their fill

That's capitalism, that's not the fault of the worker, that's the prerogative of the employer, that's who you should blame. The worker is just trying to survive. They also have the right to do whatever they want with their own money. They didn't 'steal' a thing, they were employed.

[Diode]

this is the classic misguided paradigm. myopic in nature. me, me, me.

blame the worker rather than the global hegemony that hires cheap labor and cheats our tax system.

it's hilariously delusional.

you've been gamed by your betters into loathing your peers and supporting their destructive ways.

congrats?

[Witty]

Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998

In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.

The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses, we have countless examples: in Silicon Valley, companies begun by Chinese and Indian immigrants generated more than $19.5 billion in sales and nearly 73,000 jobs in 2000. In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.
(Source: http://www.cato.org/research/article...ld-020218.html)

During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we haven't spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years.
(Source: Andrew Sum, Mykhaylo Trubskyy, Ishwar Khatiwada, et al., Immigrant Workers in the New England Labor Market: Implications for Workforce Development Policy, Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, Boston, Prepared for the New England Regional Office, the Employment and Training Administration, and the U.S. Department of Labor, Boston, Massachusetts, October 2002. http://www.nupr.neu.edu/11-02/immigration.PDF)

The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about today's immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow émigrés. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that today's immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.
(Source: Census Data: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/censr-4.pdf)

No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacks-instead, the key is effective use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.
(Source: Associated Press/Dow Jones Newswires, "US Senate Subcommittee Hears Immigration Testimony", Oct. 17, 2001.)
(Source: Cato Institute: "Don't Blame Immigrants for Terrorism", Daniel Griswold, Assoc. Director of Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-23-01.html)

@Mike Wrecka @Veritas the invincible

[Mike Wrecka]

Originally Posted by Witty

NYC = America?

I see.

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Oh so you're suggesting that when people arrive in the USA we force them to live in unpopulated areas? Great idea. North Dakota guess who's coming over for dinner. Pablo and his 20 cousins and also Isis. Enjoy!

[Witty]

Originally Posted by Mike Wrecka

Oh so you're suggesting that when people arrive in the USA we force them to live in unpopulated areas? Great idea. North Dakota guess who's coming over for dinner. Pablo and his 20 cousins and also Isis. Enjoy!

Lmao you really need to do some research in to your country's refugee policy before you talk about it dude. They also have the strictest vetting out of all countries.

[uh-oh]

I think the real question at hand is would diode with his never ending compassion allow 10 striktas to live in his house?