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Namix:

The Bible says that if there was to be talks of all the things Jesus did, the libraries of the world would not be able to contain it all. The point is, what we have in the Bible is more than enough. it is alive. It grows with you....or you grow into it more accurately.

there is a difference in knowledge and Gospel. and some of the knowledge in the apocrapha aint Gospel.

The Bible does mention a few add-ons, such as the Book of Enoch which is fascinating.

[namix]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

Namix:

The Bible says that if there was to be talks of all the things Jesus did, the libraries of the world would not be able to contain it all. The point is, what we have in the Bible is more than enough. it is alive. It grows with you....or you grow into it more accurately.

there is a difference in knowledge and Gospel. and some of the knowledge in the apocrapha aint Gospel.

The Bible does mention a few add-ons, such as the Book of Enoch which is fascinating.

i hear you

whoever mentioned Constantine made me think of 'some' of the arbitrary nature of what was included/excluded in the 'official' version...

but along the lines of what you said re: the growth with you/etc., I do believe the truth echoes from within, so i never get hung up on the fact....

but hey, sometimes i think it takes a 'mary magdalene' gospel to bridge the gap to a greater path.

I definitely have an affinity for Thomas though to be honest -- but I get where there are concerns with how it could be interpretted.

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but have you ever studyied the Bible?

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Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

but have you ever studyied the Bible?

If I had studied it in the past I would I have subjectively argued against truth of it under the guise of science.

Now I let the words, and relevance, come to me as they will... but no, I don't proactively study it in the way 'i think' you're referring to... but I have been 'tested' on it throughout 16 years of catholic education (which made me no more educated on what 'i think' we're getting at, or at least what I am.)

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well you should.....it is every seeker of truth's eventuality to cross it's path.

it is the spirit of truth, of prophecy, of wisdom.

kjv.

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are the men who chose what to keep in, and what to cut out, god?

all of it was the word of god, preached to the people of their time. it was all of the same religion.

they just decided to keep some stuff out.

wouldn't it be wise to take heed all of the words of god? is it a mans place to withhold some of his words from you?


let me ask you this, im pretty sure when a follower asks jesus who will take up his cause when he is gone, he names his brother james, not peter. yet christians/the church made peter the saint and the "first pope" to lend legitamacy to their tyranny

how do you view "the church"

in my opinion, "the church" is the only unique thing to christianity. everything else can be found through other religions.

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And now, finally, your end game:

A trite and duplicitous attempt to espouse a tired and weak point.

Understand: those men had no power to do anything. GOD knew what he was doing and we have more than enough word. Trust that.

as for the church, the church you are describing is not THE CHURCH.

Now then:

I am glad you are intent on trying to poke holes in something you know little of. That is the start.

Now grab a kjv and study it. I mean really study it. See what happens.

That is if you care about truth. ..and not just parroting the agenda of the times.

Fair?

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im trying to understand

i am letting you see things as i understand them. i am looking for you to say things as you understand them so i can compare our viewpoints.

my main problem is you say read the king james bible, but i find flaws in the fact that men decided what to put in that bible, and what to keep out, when none of it at the time, was more important than any of the rest

they just wanted an official version for all of the branches to follow in there far flung nations. alexandria practiced a slightly different form, than jerusalem, than rome, than byzantium, etc. i think it was constantine who made christianity legal, and had bibles made, which are the same bibles christians use today, with the old testament, and the new testament, with the gospels of the new testament that the council of nicaea CHOSE to include.

that is a flaw to me, i am asking how you personally overlook this, you must know something i don't, or there is a flaw in how i am taking in the info i am spewing

poke holes in it for me.

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I personally enjoy the part of the bible that condones slavery and the beating of slaves, because you know they are your property. But don't beat then to hard they need to get back and work them fields in a reasonable amount of time. And there is no hint of mysogony at all.

[namix]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

well you should.....it is every seeker of truth's eventuality to cross it's path.

it is the spirit of truth, of prophecy, of wisdom.

kjv.

it's sage advice, I got the leather-bound KJV this xmas...



How did you/do you prefer to read it --- literally front to back, or in an order your feeling?

the front to back approach loses me... i think i need to start with the N.T. next time, I don't make it by Genesis lol.

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Originally Posted by namix

it's sage advice, I got the leather-bound KJV this xmas...



How did you/do you prefer to read it --- literally front to back, or in an order your feeling?

the front to back approach loses me... i think i need to start with the N.T. next time, I don't make it by Genesis lol.

A sign for sure.

Proverbs psalms and ecclesiastes. Then the new testament. Then old testament.

Oh...read daniel b4 revelation.


Study.

[namix]

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin

A sign for sure.

Proverbs psalms and ecclesiastes. Then the new testament. Then old testament.

Oh...read daniel b4 revelation.


Study.

solid order, good looks

will be easy to build momentum through proverbs and psalms --- probably no surprise, but i dig that shit most.....

counterintuitive perhaps,I'll also appreciate the old testament more after recognizing the fulfillment come to pass lol.



What is your position on numerology in general, and as it pertains to the Bible?

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Originally Posted by namix

solid order, good looks

will be easy to build momentum through proverbs and psalms --- probably no surprise, but i dig that shit most.....

counterintuitive perhaps,I'll also appreciate the old testament more after recognizing the fulfillment come to pass lol.



What is your position on numerology in general, and as it pertains to the Bible?

word.

basic Biblical numerology:

1 God
2 Division/union
3 divine confirmation
4 the system of the world/nature
5 grace
6 man w/out God
7 spiritual perfection
8 renewal/atonement
9 finality/judgment

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Originally Posted by millz

I personally enjoy the part of the bible that condones slavery and the beating of slaves, because you know they are your property. But don't beat then to hard they need to get back and work them fields in a reasonable amount of time. And there is no hint of mysogony at all.

dude....howbout the part where it says after 7 years let them go? or about the criteria of what makes a slave? like owing a debt that they can't pay? perhaps the bible talks about indentured servants.....and you just can't see that?

the bible is against owning another man.

big difference.

agenda on bro.

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If that's how you feel the need to justify fine.

But the bible is pro slavery. Even if it's only for 7 years. It refers to them as property. 7 seconds of slavery is 7 seconds to many.

The bible is homophobic. And it isn't exactly super kind to women either.


I'm not bashing religion, but the bible is by no means a "perfect" document.


It is written by man and is therefore flawed like man.



So agenda on bro

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wrong.

Slavery is owning men.

Indentured servants are bondservants....workers. often treated better than the children of the house.

Isreal was enslaved.....Isreal did not enslave others.

GOD does not approve of Homosexuality.

you sure about women? you ever read the koran? I have....you probably aint read the koran....probably aint read the bible either...

yes you are bashing religion. because you mistake Christianity for a religion. it is not. The Bible is a perfect document. as perfect as a document that exists on this terrible planet.

The Bible was written by God. if you would study it, you would see that.

the agenda is yours sir. You speak as every child of this current world system....i on the other hand stand against the tide.

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