Is global warming real - Page 2

NYCSPITZ · 07-20-2013, 10:40 PM

good point swerve but i'm not buying it. Renewable energy companies all fall under the overarching arm of big oil. If they were all greedy capitalists there would be a stronger force for the global warming hoax theory. Like oatmeal said I think it's a combination of man made and cyclical but I get the feeling it's more cyclical, aren't we overdue for an ice age anyways? This thread was a bad idea b/c it shows how ensconced ppl become in ideas that have been inculcated mviaedia and friends. Good day sirs

NYCSPITZ · 07-20-2013, 10:43 PM

Dom, this is the fossil fuel age planes and cars abound. Entertain for 1 min the idea that global warming is at least partially cyclical (moreso than man made). You think billionaire oil oligarchs can't hire cunning think tanks to spread disinfo on the matter? I dunno man, seems fishy to be real w u

Swerve · 07-20-2013, 10:50 PM

It's most definitely cyclical.

The problem is that according to the data provided, the rate of increase is at a speed which has never been seen in history.

There is definitely a human impact; how large is anyone's guess. But it is indeed real.

NYCSPITZ · 07-20-2013, 10:52 PM

A lot of people seem 2 forget that mother earth is a living creature *SOB* so sad!!!

Split · 07-20-2013, 10:53 PM

fuck this gay earth. We found super-earths a galaxy over, much better in every way

NYCSPITZ · 07-20-2013, 10:55 PM

WATS A SUPER EARTH...is it REALLY big?

Swerve · 07-20-2013, 11:10 PM

^^ Actually yes.

Antares · 07-20-2013, 11:46 PM

Fuck the sun. I'm better than him.

oats · 07-21-2013, 12:06 AM

Lol@the boca burglar lurking in here. Hide your leaf blowers everyone.

Antares · 07-21-2013, 12:34 AM

Boca, leave this thread to the one and only star of netcees

~RustyGunZ~ · 07-21-2013, 02:05 AM

mother nature just wants to give us more sunshine and beach parties

why question her?

Witty · 07-21-2013, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oats

Brief synopsis my Asian brother:

Facts:
Earth is getting warmer.
Part of it is cyclical.
Part of it is caused by human activity.

Gray areas:
How much is cyclical and how much is caused by human activity.
The real world effect of the increasing temperature.

There is almost unanimous consensus in the scientific community that global warming is happening and is at least partially man's fault. I would approach scientists that say otherwise with extreme skepticism.

Dr. Oats out.

The way I see it is this is what would be happening whether we are here or not. It has happened so many times before and will happen again, we definitely aren't helping but I find it typical of the human ego that we believe we could somehow damage the planet. The planet will be fine, it is we who are in trouble. The only thing we are putting in jeapordy is our own existence. We will be replaced and the planet will live on, we have no control over the warming of the earth, we may be contributing slightly but at most all we are doing is making the inevitable come a little sooner, it would happen with or without us.

super pimp trillionaire · 07-21-2013, 09:07 AM

hmu when this turns into a post a stack thread...

NYCSPITZ · 07-21-2013, 12:15 PM

happy bday witty, also...u win this thread IMO

Plot · 07-21-2013, 12:23 PM

Just wait till all that permafrost above Mongolia melts and releases billions of tonnes of fart gas into the atmosphere, then we're all fucked

NYCSPITZ · 07-21-2013, 12:24 PM

lol earth doesnt like being irradiated. earth is alive. earth is mad. humans = fucked, badweather+witty win thread

uh-oh · 07-21-2013, 01:38 PM

i read some of this thread

the problem with "global warming" is the name. we've been having longer winters so people are like lol global warming aint real, even tho our summers have been hotter and hotter, more droughts across the world, wildfires etc.

but yo most science dudes agree on one thing, the term "global warming" sucks. its viewed as simple "climate change" now.

and nycspitz, big oil has every interest in keeping big oil around, and have been for years. its been behind basically everything, from prohibition to wars we are in today

lets say as a nation we wake up, we drive cars off ethanol and renewable fuel and we get rid of all the fossil fuels and bullshit right.

the major oil producing companies are still gonna sell oil to other nations. america is nothing without being a major competitor in all markets yo. theres a reason why we buy oil, and go to war over oil, EVEN WHEN OUR OWN COUNTRY produces enough oil to be self sustaining 10x over

its all money. big wigs. big business. if you think the oil companies can't do WHATEVER they want, you aint looking deep enough.

right now with our control of afghanistan and its lithium deposits and the control we have over parts of africa we could make cars that you plug in at night and drive across the country tomorrow in.

its not just money in selling oil. its money in all petroleum based products from paints to fuels to everything, on top of that there is an entire industry built around the use of those oil products, so everything from a gas station to a regular mechanic would be severely affected by it.

its the same as with prohibition yo. when alcohol was prohibited, there were big organisations and shit, all made to combat alcohol, when alcohol was legal again, they needed a new enemy or all those people lose there jobs, so they demonised weed. and it ties in too. because alcohol being prohibited had alot to do with cars running off diesel back in the day. diesel motors can run off ethanol, created in the distilling of alcohol. so big oil companies wanted to sell there petroleum based fuels and they helped blackball liquor. but like i was saying those groups out fighting alcohol needed a new enemy, so they turned to drugs, like weed and etc. meanwhile the first model T's body panels were made from a carbon fiber form of HEMP.

so really its just corporations going for eachothers necks

protip - oil never loses

uh-oh · 07-21-2013, 01:39 PM

also i was reading somewhere that oil being finite is a myth, its renewable at much faster rates than previously believed, but im too lazy to look for it, and it was probably an article funded by the oil companies

oats · 07-21-2013, 03:12 PM

In all honesty, climate change is beyond rational debate at this point. The fatalist viewpoint of "oh it's happening anyway with or without us" is almost as silly as "the human ego thinks it can harm the planet." We've already very noticeably harmed the planet significantly (acidification of oceans, rapid extinction of plant and animal species and the concurrent upheaval of many ecosystems, etc), and are capable of even greater damage through nuclear weapons. Make no mistake, we could literally destroy this planet. Not ego, fact.

There is plenty of damning evidence for how humans are contributing to climate change, but possibly the most significant one is the level of CO2 in the atmosphere since the industrial revolution. Yes we have seen glacial advance and retreat cycle around in the past, but never has a retreat been as rapid as it has been in the past 30 years, including a handful of years where our orbit was further away (which reduces the amount of solar energy we receive, usually making the glaciers advance a little. Instead, temperatures continued to rise and glaciers continued to retreat).

This thread gets a big intellectual thumbs down tbh.

NYCSPITZ · 07-21-2013, 03:28 PM

man ur contradicting urself...u just implied the shit is mostly mad made but earlier in the thread u said it's anyone's guess whether it's more man made or more cyclical.

Basically all I hear is people screaming that there's a carbon problem and that the earth is screwed. I worked for a clean energy company and saw countless videos on the shit...could be true could be untrue.

07-20-2013, 10:50 PM	#23
Swerve SDub Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,874 Battle Record: 40-34 Champed - Alias Tourney III (Heroes vs. Villians) - Fight Night LXIV - Netcees Battle League Rep Power: 64920327	It's most definitely cyclical. The problem is that according to the data provided, the rate of increase is at a speed which has never been seen in history. There is definitely a human impact; how large is anyone's guess. But it is indeed real. __________________ No Cap Gang.

07-20-2013, 10:53 PM	#25
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07-20-2013, 11:10 PM	#27
Swerve SDub Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,874 Battle Record: 40-34 Champed - Alias Tourney III (Heroes vs. Villians) - Fight Night LXIV - Netcees Battle League Rep Power: 64920327	^^ Actually yes. __________________ No Cap Gang.

07-21-2013, 09:07 AM	#33
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07-20-2013, 10:40 PM	#21
NYCSPITZ SYRACUSE Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,031 Battle Record: 31-37 Champed - Write Night II - Alias Topical Tournament Rep Power: 4743547	good point swerve but i'm not buying it. Renewable energy companies all fall under the overarching arm of big oil. If they were all greedy capitalists there would be a stronger force for the global warming hoax theory. Like oatmeal said I think it's a combination of man made and cyclical but I get the feeling it's more cyclical, aren't we overdue for an ice age anyways? This thread was a bad idea b/c it shows how ensconced ppl become in ideas that have been inculcated mviaedia and friends. Good day sirs

07-20-2013, 10:43 PM	#22
NYCSPITZ SYRACUSE Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,031 Battle Record: 31-37 Champed - Write Night II - Alias Topical Tournament Rep Power: 4743547	Dom, this is the fossil fuel age planes and cars abound. Entertain for 1 min the idea that global warming is at least partially cyclical (moreso than man made). You think billionaire oil oligarchs can't hire cunning think tanks to spread disinfo on the matter? I dunno man, seems fishy to be real w u

07-20-2013, 10:52 PM	#24
NYCSPITZ SYRACUSE Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,031 Battle Record: 31-37 Champed - Write Night II - Alias Topical Tournament Rep Power: 4743547	A lot of people seem 2 forget that mother earth is a living creature SOB so sad!!!

07-20-2013, 10:55 PM	#26
NYCSPITZ SYRACUSE Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,031 Battle Record: 31-37 Champed - Write Night II - Alias Topical Tournament Rep Power: 4743547	WATS A SUPER EARTH...is it REALLY big?

07-20-2013, 11:46 PM	#28
Antares Way bigger than da sun :) Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 37	Fuck the sun. I'm better than him.

07-21-2013, 12:06 AM	#29
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	Lol@the boca burglar lurking in here. Hide your leaf blowers everyone.

07-21-2013, 12:34 AM	#30
Antares Way bigger than da sun :) Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 37	Boca, leave this thread to the one and only star of netcees

07-21-2013, 02:05 AM	#31
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07-21-2013, 12:15 PM	#34
NYCSPITZ SYRACUSE Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,031 Battle Record: 31-37 Champed - Write Night II - Alias Topical Tournament Rep Power: 4743547	happy bday witty, also...u win this thread IMO

07-21-2013, 12:23 PM	#35
Plot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,374 Battle Record: 26-32 Rep Power: 1309744	Just wait till all that permafrost above Mongolia melts and releases billions of tonnes of fart gas into the atmosphere, then we're all fucked

07-21-2013, 12:24 PM	#36
NYCSPITZ SYRACUSE Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,031 Battle Record: 31-37 Champed - Write Night II - Alias Topical Tournament Rep Power: 4743547	lol earth doesnt like being irradiated. earth is alive. earth is mad. humans = fucked, badweather+witty win thread

07-21-2013, 01:38 PM	#37
uh-oh DA GOD Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canton Ohio Posts: 12,362 Battle Record: 1-0 Champed - Beat Battle II - Beat Battle V - Beat Bags Rep Power: 84181420	i read some of this thread the problem with "global warming" is the name. we've been having longer winters so people are like lol global warming aint real, even tho our summers have been hotter and hotter, more droughts across the world, wildfires etc. but yo most science dudes agree on one thing, the term "global warming" sucks. its viewed as simple "climate change" now. and nycspitz, big oil has every interest in keeping big oil around, and have been for years. its been behind basically everything, from prohibition to wars we are in today lets say as a nation we wake up, we drive cars off ethanol and renewable fuel and we get rid of all the fossil fuels and bullshit right. the major oil producing companies are still gonna sell oil to other nations. america is nothing without being a major competitor in all markets yo. theres a reason why we buy oil, and go to war over oil, EVEN WHEN OUR OWN COUNTRY produces enough oil to be self sustaining 10x over its all money. big wigs. big business. if you think the oil companies can't do WHATEVER they want, you aint looking deep enough. right now with our control of afghanistan and its lithium deposits and the control we have over parts of africa we could make cars that you plug in at night and drive across the country tomorrow in. its not just money in selling oil. its money in all petroleum based products from paints to fuels to everything, on top of that there is an entire industry built around the use of those oil products, so everything from a gas station to a regular mechanic would be severely affected by it. its the same as with prohibition yo. when alcohol was prohibited, there were big organisations and shit, all made to combat alcohol, when alcohol was legal again, they needed a new enemy or all those people lose there jobs, so they demonised weed. and it ties in too. because alcohol being prohibited had alot to do with cars running off diesel back in the day. diesel motors can run off ethanol, created in the distilling of alcohol. so big oil companies wanted to sell there petroleum based fuels and they helped blackball liquor. but like i was saying those groups out fighting alcohol needed a new enemy, so they turned to drugs, like weed and etc. meanwhile the first model T's body panels were made from a carbon fiber form of HEMP. so really its just corporations going for eachothers necks protip - oil never loses

07-21-2013, 01:39 PM	#38
uh-oh DA GOD Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canton Ohio Posts: 12,362 Battle Record: 1-0 Champed - Beat Battle II - Beat Battle V - Beat Bags Rep Power: 84181420	also i was reading somewhere that oil being finite is a myth, its renewable at much faster rates than previously believed, but im too lazy to look for it, and it was probably an article funded by the oil companies

07-21-2013, 03:12 PM	#39
oats Steel Cut Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5,084 Battle Record: 19-10 Accomplishments - OM HOF (2x) Champed - Fight Night LXXXIV - Art of Writing League Rep Power: 79005428	In all honesty, climate change is beyond rational debate at this point. The fatalist viewpoint of "oh it's happening anyway with or without us" is almost as silly as "the human ego thinks it can harm the planet." We've already very noticeably harmed the planet significantly (acidification of oceans, rapid extinction of plant and animal species and the concurrent upheaval of many ecosystems, etc), and are capable of even greater damage through nuclear weapons. Make no mistake, we could literally destroy this planet. Not ego, fact. There is plenty of damning evidence for how humans are contributing to climate change, but possibly the most significant one is the level of CO2 in the atmosphere since the industrial revolution. Yes we have seen glacial advance and retreat cycle around in the past, but never has a retreat been as rapid as it has been in the past 30 years, including a handful of years where our orbit was further away (which reduces the amount of solar energy we receive, usually making the glaciers advance a little. Instead, temperatures continued to rise and glaciers continued to retreat). This thread gets a big intellectual thumbs down tbh.

07-21-2013, 03:28 PM	#40
NYCSPITZ SYRACUSE Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,031 Battle Record: 31-37 Champed - Write Night II - Alias Topical Tournament Rep Power: 4743547	man ur contradicting urself...u just implied the shit is mostly mad made but earlier in the thread u said it's anyone's guess whether it's more man made or more cyclical. Basically all I hear is people screaming that there's a carbon problem and that the earth is screwed. I worked for a clean energy company and saw countless videos on the shit...could be true could be untrue.