the bible is nuts as fuck

[VividEnds]

no really


if this thing had a modern translation it would be iller than game of thrones

the rapture passages are especially interesting... Has really really cool metaphors

[VividEnds]

also, a lot of these passages are "divinely inspired" coming to people in "visions" or encounters, right?

we know that the farther we get into the future, the more likely/ easier it is we both
-encounter extraterrestrials
-develop time travel

what if the bible was written as a result of prophets from the future, sent by ourselves?

what if it was a celestial warning we had to issue ourselves as soon as we could in our development as a species, and chose to do it through carefully reverse- chronologically implanted mythology?

idk dudes. read this passage and tell me it doesn't sound like an atmospheric space encounter between an allied and an enemy force?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=ESV

if you were to try to make this into a conceivable warning given to ancient people from the future, could you do it?

[uh-oh]

its just drugs bro

[namix]

Originally Posted by uh-oh

its just drugs bro

im not sure when or where you started - but the end goal should be the same. stop.

Can you please:
1. link US to your DOPEST VERSE EVER, and subsequently:
2. expound on the fact that you live 20 minutes from me, and yet root for the Baltimore Ravens.

at this juncture --- I am clearly far more interested in making fun of your "dopest writing ever" (and/or the fact that you don't have anything DOPE to show for your YEARS of text battling)...

Have you ever written anything?? Or do you just sit around at the local coffee tavern in canton waiting for something exciting to happen, around you?

Apologies if this came off harsh --- but I remember your name from PR as someone who talks shit but has never posted ANYTHING meaningful -- and possibly, has never posted anything.


Looking forward to your response, and you're propensity to say something and do less.

the only thing LAMER than me rocking the wonderful world of "text" for a decade is dudes like you, who been around to witness it but not experience it for themselves.


I want to mix your throat into my veal sweetbreads. Tell me when and where, and I will probably come at my leisure with nothing but a few jokes and an appetite.


Again, LINK US TO YOUR DOPEST SHIT EVER, uh-oh!!!! I'm very, very, excited to see what you have to offer, since you been reading my shit for a decade and I still have not been blessed with the opportunity to return the favor.

[veritas]

I have much to say about this.....

[Coup]

Here is the understanding on these verses:

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

-the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Ysrael

-the woman is the kingdom to come

being pregnant and in birth pains means those who have taken the covenant in spirit and in truth will go through tribulations and a purifying process on this earth while and before the kingdom comes down from heaven to be established on earth.

-the red dragon and the the 1/3 of the stars are the great dragon, called the devil and his fallen malikeem (angles) that are following him

the dragon stood before the people of Ysrael (those who worship in spirit and in truth) and he is waiting to devour the seekers of the Most High, he is not worried about the others because they already have his image..

-the child born is Yahshua, the Messiah

-the wilderness is where Yahshua will be taking his people to relearn the laws and statues of the Most High to be taught before waring with the nations and settting stright the world. this is called the 1000 year rein. It will take a thousand years to clean up Satan's kingdom. Satan rules it now...

7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers[a] has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

-this war of the 1000 year rein.

13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood[b] on the sand of the sea.

-The war contiunes, tribulations etc

-but for the elects sake the time is cut short and "we" are lead to the wilderness of saftey, just how after the Exoudus out of Egypt the first time to the wilderness. Before the Most High gave Ysrael the huge blessings to be the head and not the tail of all nations, they first had to be proven and learned in the wilderness....j

-a time, and times, and half a time is 3 1/2 years....that's all the time he has once this goes down



any questions ? Use the king james bible for dialog they are more accurate.

false doctrines

-rapture into the sky
-christian heaven when you die
-the whtie jews are the true Ysraelites

etct...

Originally Posted by Coup

the dragon stood before the people of Ysrael (those who worship in spirit and in truth) and he is waiting to devour the seekers of the Most High, he is not worried about the others because they already have his image..

Can you elaborate on this please? When you say seekers of the most high, what do you mean by most high? Please explain further.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Masaii

Can you elaborate on this please? When you say seekers of the most high, what do you mean by most high? Please explain further.

Most High is YAHUWAH, and his title is Elohim. The world knows the creator by titles. GOD and LORD. Which all have come from pagan nations and their idols.

In the Hebrew scriptures (whom were a so called black peoples) YAHUWAH Elohim was read every time you see LORD thy GOD. The Gentiles took out the honor and gave it to their idols.

Give me your ear. I did not put this study together. This was written by Hebrew Moreh, whom I personally know and study under and with.

Many people accept "Jesus" as the correct modern English translation of the name "Yahshua." The fact is that IF it is in fact a correct translation, then that's exactly what it is,... a TRANSLATION. In English or Hebrew, the name "Jesus" did not exist until the 1600's and Yahshua was the name that Miriam (Mary) received from Gabri-el, at the commandment of Yah, to name her son,... AND,... the name that the apostles preached in. This is a FACT whether we want to accept it or not.

There are various studies that exist which really explore the reasoning behind the Greeks changing of the Hebrew names. Many of these studies can be found on the internet and shall be explored here. Understand that the language barrier was NOT the issue in the Greeks changing of the Hebrew names. If it was, then everyone that speaks English would know Him as "Joshua," an English translation of Yahshua meaning "Yah is Salvation."

In the New Testament, or the "Greek Scriptures" as some call them, they refrained from pronouncing the name of the prophets of the Old Testament. One very glaring "translation" is found in Luke 4:27 where the name "Eliseus" is used instead of Elisha. In the Greek, "Eliseus" means "God (Elohim) is Zeus."

Luke 4:27

And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

This is a very interesting passage. Anyone that have read this book before in it's earlier editions read what I wrote concerning the rendering of Elisha's name as Eliseus, but when I wrote this, I was totally unaware of the rendering of this name in the ORIGINAL 1611 King James Version. For your edification here it is.




Notice the "z" is there in the name but here in these modern English translations we see an "s" in the name. Translators let the "z" that clearly represent Zeus get past them back in 1611 but they rectified the "deceit" later. The same "s" that they put in Eliseus is the SAME "s" they put in JeSus replacing the "z" that is really Zeus. Zeus and salvation are synonymous to the ancient Greeks. The tie-in brothas and sistas, is that Elizeus to the Greeks mean "God/Elohim saves, because the "sha" in Elisha (the true Hebrew name of the prophet as opposed to Elizeus) means saves just as "shua" in Joshua or Yahshua means "saves." To the Greeks, salvation is of ZEUS. So the point is that Jesus is neither transliterated NOR translated from Yahshua, Yeshua, Yahoshua, or any Hebrew rendering/dialect of the name Yahshua because, Zeus saves no one!

Another interesting passage is

Hebrews 4:8

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

In the liner notes of most bibles, and even in other versions, they tell you that the original name there was "Joshua" which is translated from "Yahshua." This is similar to the passage where "Easter" is substituted for "Passover."

Acts 12:4

And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after EASTER to bring him forth to the people.

Easter, which is named after the Teutonic goddess of fertility "Eostre," is in no way translated from Passover. Yet another interesting passage is found in

Acts 7:45

Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. Which also our fathers that came after brought in with JESUS into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

What does this verse mean?

Think about it.


Where you see "Jesus" in this passage, it was originally "Yahshua" because you can clearly see that Joshua the son of Nun, and the successor to Moshe (Moses) was who was being referred to here as the one that brought the tabernacle of witness into the possession of the "Gentiles." The Gentile/European scribes were so quick to substitute the name of Messiah, for their Hellenized version that they totally mistranslated this verse. The word "nations" should have also been placed in this passage instead of "Gentiles" because the land that they brought the tabernacle of witness into was of the Philistines, who were not Gentiles. The Gentiles are the sons of Japheth according to Genesis 10:5. The Philistines descended from Ham. Look in the liner notes in your Bible and you will see the corrections.

Before the 1600's, "Jesus" was pronounced closer to the way the LATIN-OS (LATINOS) pronounce it today (Hey-ZEUS). This also begs a question as to why/when they decided to change the long "u" sound as in truth, (Zeus), to the short "u" sound, as in lust, (Jesus). Does that sound like a coincidence or something that just happened?

Earlier, we saw the name "Elisha" translated to Eliseus. Now the "s" in the middle of this Greek translated word sounds exactly like the "s" in the middle of Jesus, which is a "Z" sound. Check the pronunciations in your reference books (je' zus). The "Z" was replaced with an "S". You don't think so? Then note

Revelation 14:1

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
The "Z" in Zion is clearly replaced with a "S".

Names should not be neither translated nor transliterated! When you transliterate a name from one language to another, then you're taking the letters/symbols of one language and replacing it with the letters/symbols of another language. In the second language, you end up having a word that has a very different meaning in that language. Names, especially Hebrew names have meaning. Here in America, news broadcasts always call foreign people by their original names in their own tongues. Sometimes names are contracted or shortened but it's shortened from it's own original tongue.

Psalm 68:4

Sing unto Elohim, sing praises to HIS NAME: (which name?) extol him that ride upon the heavens by his name YAH, and rejoice before him.

We see the name YAHUWAH (YHWH) shortened to Yah here in this passage. Even Yahshua is actually a shortened form of Yahoshua, Yahshua more than likely being the more popular rendering in the Hebrew/Aramaic time of Yahshua the Messiah.

Some people argue over the fact that there are many different translations of the rendering of Yahshua. (Yahshua, Yeshua, Yahoshua) The Hebrew language is a language that has evolved according to time and region. Much of today's Hebrew has been handed down by oral tradition. Case-in-point, many of the Israelites in Yahshua's day spoke an Aramaic Hebrew, which was a bit different from the Hebrew that Moses spoke. English is also a language that evolved. Not only was a new letter added to the English language in the 16th century (J) but rarely in American cities where English is the primary language do you find someone that speaks "the King's English." Some people in England speak "the King's English" but even in England there are variant styles/dialects.

Even in the original 1611 KJV, which included the Apocrypha, no letter "J" in Iesus, (Jesus), you find a harder-to-read version of the Bible for those of us not familiar with 17th century English as we saw in the earlier example. Now with these examples of an evolving language, not withstanding, let's take a look at the name Yahshua yet again. We read clearly how it was translated to Joshua in the English, but even in the Bible we can see variations of THAT name.

Numbers 13:16

These are the names of the men which Moses sent to spy out the land. And Moses called OSHEA the son of Nun YAHOSHUA.

When you look up the name Jesus in most reference books it states along with the pronunciation (je' zus), that the name is Greek for "savior". Hmmm.....Two questions. What's missing in this name? Whose salvation does the name allude to? Hmmmmm...... Another interesting point is that, as mentioned earlier, Jesus is a GREEK name, NOT English. How many people do you know that spoke only English for the first thirteen years of their life, are named Jesus? How many of that same classification of people that you know are named Joshua? Many are named Joshua because Joshua is a common English name. How many people, of the Latin persuasion, are named "Jesus" ...pronounced (Hey-Zeus)? Again, quite a few Latinos are named Jesus. All of these points are something to really consider.

When we praise YAHUWAH, Yah and Yahshua, we proclaim the name of the Elohim of Israel. Yah is found in many of the prophets and kings names like Isaiah, Zechariah, Jeremiah, and Elijah. Also, in the praise, Hallelujah. Now...if your English translated Bible is written entirely in English, then why in the Old Testament you see Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Zechariah, but in the New Testament, you have Jeremy, Esaias, and Zecharias? The Greeks clearly took the name of Yah out of these prophets' names. Another "coincidence?"

"God" is actually NOT a name but is a type of a being just like "man" or "angel." Somewhere along the line, the "Jewish" people thought it was superstitious to say the name of Elohim so they invented variations of the name. This is part of the reason why the El of Israel's name is not in most versions of the New Testament, which was primarily translated from the Greek. Today, you find the same group of people that addresses the Messiah as "Yeshua," also writes God as "G-d." As stated earlier, "God" is not a name, so if these people are prohibited from spelling "G-o-d," then you can understand why they don't say/print the true name of the Elohim of Israel. Yah/YAHUWAH would also not be spoken or written. The Greeks, in all actuality, COULD have preserved the original form of the names.

Let's take a closer look at the way the heathen changes names to reflect them. YAHUWAH blessed Joseph to be an interpreter of dreams. Having been taken captive in Egypt, Yah allows Joseph to interpret Pharaohs dream, and in turn, Pharaoh makes him a vice-ruler in Egypt. In this blessing, Pharaoh bestows on Joseph, the wise Israelite, a name of an Egyptian deity.

Genesis 41:41-43

And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over All the land of Egypt.
And Pharaoh took off the ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;
And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.

And Pharaoh called Joseph's name ZAPH'-NATH-PA-A-NE'-AH; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.

This is the beginning of a vicious cycle of the heathens taking wise Israelites and replacing their names with names that reflect their heathen deities.

Daniel 1:6-7

[I]
Now among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah[/I

Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, are three Hebrews chosen to be raised up in the king's house. Hananiah means "Yah has shown favor." Mishael, or Michael, means "Who is like unto Elohim." Azariah means "Yah has helped." The Babylonians changed their names to reflect their deities.

Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; ("Bel's Prince") and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; ("Illuminated by the Sun") and to Mishael, of Meshach; ("Who is like Shach?") and to Azariah, of Abednego. (The Servant of Nego)

Daniel 4:8

But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, ACCORDING TO THE NAME OF MY GOD, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying, O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Even the Hebrew names of Paul and Barnabas were not enough for the heathens who were compelled to call these two Hebrews by their deities.

Acts 14:11-15

And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.

Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living Elohim, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

As was stated before, the Greeks COULD have wrote the Hebraic names in their translations. They didn't primarily, not because it was a matter of language, but a matter of worshipping their same deities while using the Hebrew scriptures. Hellenizing the truth! Also note that "Esther" is also a Babylonian goddess (Ishtar) that was given to the Hebrew maiden whose name was really Haddassah.

Esther 2:5-7

Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away.
And he brought up HADASSAH, that is, ESTHER, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, and the maid was fair and beautiful; whom Mordecai, when her father and mother were dead, took for his own daughter.

How many witnesses do you need to understand that the Gentiles were NOT going to allow the Israelites to continue to bare the name, and give glory to YAH with their names, BUT give them names reflecting their deities?!

Not only was the name Yahshua reduced to the Greek deity Zeus by the name Jesus, but the translators also did not want people to know or use YHWH (YAHUWAH). Every where you read "LORD God" in the Bible, it was actually "YAHUWAH Elohim" The "LORD God" is not a name. By putting the correct name in the scriptures, the scriptures come alive. Notice:

Exodus 20: 1-2, 7

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Question! Who is "the" LORD thy God?" Who is "the" man upstairs? What is the NAME of "the" LORD thy God that we are commanded to not take his name, whatever name that is, in vain?

Exodus 20: 1-2, 7

And Elohim spake all these words, saying,
I am YAHUWAH thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt not take the name of YAHUWAH thy Elohim in vain; for YAHUWAH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Now tell me that you didn't glean a greater understanding of that passage using the Father's name instead of "the LORD God". Here's another one for you to peep.

Jeremiah 23:1-2, 27

Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith YAHUWAH.
Therefore thus saith YAHUWAH Elohim of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith YAHUWAH.

Which think to cause my people to FORGET MY NAME by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

What was the name that the people of forgotten? YHWH (YAHUWAH) is the name. Many Bibles, and other religious sources, reveal that "the LORD" that you see in Bibles were put in place of the tetragrammaton YHWH, which in ENGLISH is YAHUWAH, which was further mistransliterated as Jehovah.

Also, many references show that "LORD" is actually translated from BA'AL. The Greeks and the Romans have historically, tried to erase all semblances of ethnic culture that was contrary to their own. The same reason the Sphinx's facial features were blown off is the same reasons why the names of most of the Hebrews that are mentioned in the New Testament were given European titles. Mary, Peter, John, and Paul . . . could you imagine a "pope" called Hezekiah? Have you ever heard of the Virgin Miriam? YAHUWAH asks

Jeremiah 2:11

Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.

Think about that.

The unfortunate bottom line is... no. The nations have NOT changed their "gods." The same Zeus (pale-faced, blue-eyed Jesus! Remember... "Raw and Uncut!) that the pagans worshipped, the same Ba'al (LORD) that the Canaanites worshipped, along with the pagan rituals of sun worship, saviors birthday worship... Mithra, Zeus/Jesus, (Christmas) Fard Muhammad (Nation of Islam's Savior's Day), Fertility worship, Easter, Astarte, Ishtar (Easter eggs and bunny rabbits) ARE (WHE-E-E-WW!!!� �"deep breath"..) the same deities that these religious organizations have been deceived by Satan to practice in these last days, separating us from YAHUWAH, the creator of heaven and earth.

If the name "YAHUWAH or Yahshua" offends you, I apologize for that. You are not the first, nor shall you be the last to be "offended by his namesake." This is a serious study that I wanted to share and quite frankly, if you can appreciate the truth that was presented thus far then, you will definitely appreciate what's coming next. In the meantime, I pray that Yah bless you with the desire to want the fruits of the Spirit so that you may see the Gospel of Yahshua. Peace

[veritas]

the rapture is not a lie.

[Coup]

build me an understanding of rapture using precepts from scripture...also letters of Paul do not support rapture, they are cherry picked to say this.

after you build an understanding, line upon line, precept upon precept, establishly all things by two or three witness, then I will show you the truth of the matter...

Edit:

scriptures are the so called "old testament" and not letters of Paul...etc..

Also consider Paul came form the sect of the Phraisees, whom were all masters of the law and scriptures...tho they put the traditions of men before God (Elohim) [rapture is a tradition], making them of no effect

So he knew very well the scriptures. And consider Pauls on words

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in MessiYAH Yahshua.

He is writing Timothy, a white Gentile in the flesh, that he known the scriptures since a child. The "NT" letters were not even compiled into text or book cannon when Tim was reading that. They both knew the scriptures were the books of Moses (Torah) and teh Tenak, or books of the Prophets.

Also very interesting is the fact that the book of Revelation has been spelled out by all the Prophets...though John received more details by Yahshua to write down in 92AD


No hate fam, just some thoughts.

I just realized the possibility of you "trollin"...oh well, I have zeal none the less lol

[Battle Hymns]

Originally Posted by Coup

build me an understanding of rapture using precepts from scripture...also letters of Paul do not support rapture, they are cherry picked to say this.

after you build an understanding, line upon line, precept upon precept, establishly all things by two or three witness, then I will show you the truth of the matter...

Edit:

scriptures are the so called "old testament" and not letters of Paul...etc..

Also consider Paul came form the sect of the Phraisees, whom were all masters of the law and scriptures...tho they put the traditions of men before God (Elohim) [rapture is a tradition], making them of no effect

So he knew very well the scriptures. And consider Pauls on words



He is writing Timothy, a white Gentile in the flesh, that he known the scriptures since a child. The "NT" letters were not even compiled into text or book cannon when Tim was reading that. They both knew the scriptures were the books of Moses (Torah) and teh Tenak, or books of the Prophets.

Also very interesting is the fact that the book of Revelation has been spelled out by all the Prophets...though John received more details by Yahshua to write down in 92AD


No hate fam, just some thoughts.

I just realized the possibility of you "trollin"...oh well, I have zeal none the less lol

Wait... Do you believe that one occult leader Timothy from Nebreska?

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Battle Hymens

Wait... Do you believe that one occult leader Timothy from Nebreska?

don't know who he is.

[Battle Hymns]

Originally Posted by Coup

don't know who he is.

So, you don't read the letters of christ? timothy is a self proclaimed prophet who says he speaks to god directly on a daily basis and writes down their conversations.

not only that he has made a few "corrections" that have caught the attention of christians worldwide.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Battle Hymens

So, you don't read the letters of christ? timothy is a self proclaimed prophet who says he speaks to god directly on a daily basis and writes down their conversations.

not only that he has made a few corrections that previous followers have made that has caught the attention of christians worldwide.

LOL man, that don't surprise me. Christianity has always been off, but it is really becoming "crazier" and "crazier"

I don't ID myself as a Christian...

[~RustyGunZ~]

lolreligion

[veritas]

When the Bible says that "we are not appointed to wrath" what wrath does it mean?

[Coup]

Originally Posted by VERITAS

When the Bible says that "we are not appointed to wrath" what wrath does it mean?

I know it's a Paul verse...I can't recall book...get me chapter and verse and I'll provide and build up your understanding according to mine...I'm very fimilar and am ready to help you. If I don't know I don't say.

More false doctrine to consider:

Laws nailed to the "cross"


looking to it @Witty

[Witty]

I agree almost completely with what I have read so far in this thread from @Coup

I'll try and throw some insight in later tonight as this is one thing I've studied quite extensively.

Impressive knowledge though.

[veritas]

hold up fam.....If you believe the rapture is a lie then perhaps you should build yours to mine.

now:

answer me: what wrath is it that we are not appointed to?


1 thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


also let me ask you: who shall not die?

1 cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


especiallay since the bible says that it is appointed once for every man to die?


so answer me this: 1. what wrath is it that we are not appointed to? I say that we are not appointed to the wrath of GOD which is the tribulation period aka four sets of 7 judgements all getting progressively worse

and 2. who shall not sleep? I say it is the church, the called out body, ecclesia.


answer please:

[Coup]

Originally Posted by VERITAS

hold up fam.....If you believe the rapture is a lie then perhaps you should build yours to mine.

now:

answer me: what wrath is it that we are not appointed to?


1 thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


also let me ask you: who shall not die?

1 cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


especiallay since the bible says that it is appointed once for every man to die?


so answer me this: 1. what wrath is it that we are not appointed to? I say that we are not appointed to the wrath of GOD which is the tribulation period aka four sets of 7 judgements all getting progressively worse

and 2. who shall not sleep? I say it is the church, the called out body, ecclesia.


answer please:

Fam, take this slow...I don't care who is right...we are not to justify ourselves. So read through this slow and consider.

Like many world religions and like many Christians, your understanding and knowledge of truth only exist in the confides of Letters in the so called New Testament. This is your first great error. We must remember that MessiYAH and the 12 and Paul all taught through the Torah lens. You cannot begin to understand the "bible' unless you shake your pagan mindset (christain mindset) and see it how these Hebrews saw it.

The prophet Isaiah tells us that doctrine has to be established:


Isaiah 28:9-10

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Well ???

You provided in ignorance (not knowing) 1 Cor 15:51 as a verse to support a doctrine that is not in the "bible", but only in the hearts of deceived men and woman.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul is referring to the great and terrible day. The sound of the trumpet will single this...this trump he refers to starts the first seal which is explained in Revelations chapter 6. Not not rapture where you vanish in mid air to where ? The Kingdom is coming down from heaven to earth forever. The earth was not created in vain. Nither will Abba Yah's word come back to him in vain.

The wrath of the tribulations will purify his body of believers that are found in MessiYAH...But know you WILL go through tribulations if you be in that time...make no mistake. You have to be pure and tested to be found worthy to enter the narrow gates of the Kingdom and to go to the wilderness first to learn the way under the King Yahshua. The Broadway to destruction is the world's religion and what they are teaching you.

Matter of fact, the Feast of Trumpets is a High Day of Elohim that also foreshadows the great day. All his High Days do, fore in all his law is a teaching of his way. The Father uses trumpets to sound everything...it's all over scripture.

Isaiah speaks of this time, when Yahuwah will gather up Ysrael again..at the sound of THAT TRUMPET

Isaiah 27:12-13

12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that YAHWUAH shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship YAHUWAH in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

This of course has not happened yet.

His place on earth is Jerusalem. Even in Genesis, before Jerusalem became Jerusalem, it was Salem, where Yahuwah had a preist their after the order of meshedaik, the king of Salem.

Joel 2:1

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of YAHUWAH cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

He is speaking of that day.

The angles will be with MessiYAH to tear the wheat from the chaff...those appointed to wrath and those going to the wilderness...

Revelation 8:6

And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

IT GETS DEEP. THIS IS A BREIF OUTLINE...I have much to cover.

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To show you that when we did we are really asleep spiritually. Consider a when MessiYAH rose Lazarous from the dead.

John 11

11 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Master with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)

3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Master, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

4 When Yahshua heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of Elohim, that the Son of Elohim might be glorified thereby.

5 Now Yahshua loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.

6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.

8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

9 Yahshua answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Master, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Yahshua spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Yahshua unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

In Yahshua's understanding he was not dead, rather asleep until the great resurrection of us all on the time appointed, not know rapture.. He finally spoke carnally and to the peoples understanding and said, yeah he's dead. But in reality we don't die. We just return to the earth.

If Lazarus was in Heaven, he must of been looking down saying, "OH MAN not again...I have to come out of the Kingdom to go back to that evil place!!" lol

I can provide many more accounts and witness in scripture...but just know MessiYAH came in the volume of the "books" or the Torah (instructions). He was a walking Torah and you must remember that, he taught the will of the Father, which is to obey Him at every word.


-How we are not appointed to wrath. This is found in YAHUWAH's salvation: Yahshua the MessiYAH (which means YAH's Salvation)...in English Joshua.

-What is wrath and how we escape it ?...it's called Grace. Grace is our liberty or freedom of the judgments for breaking YAH's everlasting laws. There were two sets of laws. The law and the judgements for breaking them. MessiYAH frees us from not keeping the law, but judgements for them.




Here is an amazingly simple teaching in the Bible that is rarely taught.

It is concerning the law that was done away with through Yahshua's sacrifice. Here is also the true teaching which pertains to GRACE.

Hebrews 7:12-14

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

This 7th chapter of Hebrews pertain to Yahshua becoming the High Priest through him becoming the sacrifice, fulfilling what was prophecied of him. He is literally the lamb of Elohim (God).

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendence at the altar.

For it is evident that our Master sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Yahshua came out of the tribe of Judah not out of the priest tribe of Levi.

Psalms 110 prophecied of this. But with the change of the priesthood also came a change of the laws which pertained to the Levitical priesthood. To put it plain, there were two set of laws in the Old Testament. The one set are the commandments of Elohim and the other set is the laws that you was placed under (the JUDGEMENTS) for breaking the aforementioned commandments. Let's read the BIBLICAL definition of what sin is.

1 John 3:4-5

Whosoever committeth sin, transgresseth ALSO the LAW:

(WHY?)

for SIN IS the TRANSGRESSION of the LAW.

And ye know that he was manifested to TAKE AWAY our sins; and in him is no sin.

We see here that sin means "transgression of the law". Any act that is contrary to Yahuwah's commandments is sin. Yahshua came to take away our sin because all men have sinned, and unless you become justified by the blood of Messiah, you are still in your sins and you are subject to the judgements of those sins. Now in the Old Testament, there was various judgements for various sins that the Levitical priesthood presided over. When you transgressed a sin not unto death, then you had to offer up sin offerings through the Levitical priesthood. But a transgression that was a part of the 10 commandments usually meant that the sinner had to die...without mercy/GRACE.

In Exodus 20 We see the Ten Commandments. But let's read the very next chapter

Exodus 21:1,12,17,24

NOW, these are the JUDGEMENTS which thou shalt set before them...

...He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to DEATH.

...And he that CURSETH his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death...

...Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Here, we see just a portion of that second set of laws called the
JUDGEMENTS. In the book of Leviticus you can read about the sins which required sin offerings/sacrifices. All of these JUDGEMENTS were what Yahshua's sacrifice delivered us from giving us GRACE.

Romans 6:12-16

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lust thereof.
Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto Elohim, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto Elohim.

Paul is saying something here that goes completely UNNOTICED. He said to not let sin reign in your body and to yield it unto Elohim as instruments of RIGHTEOUSNESS. You can't be an instrument of righteousness if you're not keeping the commandments of Yahuwah.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE.

Paul is saying here that you are NOT under the death sentence that came from Adam. We will read about that later. We have received GRACE from the JUDGEMENTS that we were under according to the Old Covenant.

Now here's the thing. People misconstrue this to mean that we don't have to keep the commandments. No! You are NOT delivered from the laws of Yahuwah. You were delivered from the laws/JUDGEMENTS you were under for BREAKING those laws. Look at what Paul says in the next verse.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not UNDER the law, but under grace? Elohim forbid.

A prisoner receives parole from prison which is grace, NOT because he earned it, but because he had a powerful attorney/intercessor that delivered him from UNDER THE LAW. This prisoner sinned and he should have faced the JUDGEMENT but he was delivered. Upon his release, he asks his lawyer, shall I go back and commit the crime again now that I'm not under the law but under grace? The intercessor says, "Elohim forbid!!"
Think about it

Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey; his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,or of obedience unto righteousness?

Well???...

..Don't you know that?

Whatever actions you take whether you acknowledge it or not...if you keep Yah's commandments you are Yah's servant fulfilling the first AND greatest commandment. But if you follow after the rudiments of this world and the traditions of men, then you are a servant of ANOTHER Elohim. Yep... Satan himself,...regardless of who name you call upon.

But Elohim be thanked, that YE WERE SERVANTS of sin, but ye have OBEYED FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then MADE FREE FROM SIN; YE BECAME THE SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

And it don't stop...

Galatians 3:10-13,19-24

For as many as are under the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth NOT in the things which are written in the book of law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of Elohim.

Why is no man justified in the sight of Elohim?

Because we have all sinned that's why. No matter how much you keep the commandments you still have to be justified from the sins that you had commited in the past. For ALL have sinned.

it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith...

...Messiah hath redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:

Hanging was also a judgement that was a penalty for sin. Yahshua was penalized for OUR sins.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was ADDED because of transgressions...

In the next passage we shall see that sin can't be imputed if there is no law. So with that being the case, there was another set of laws as we saw above which was added because of transgressions. And these laws were none other than the JUDGEMENT laws. We were under these judgements which were our schoolmaster until Messiah came. Now, apply what you have learned to this next passage and watch how Paul's words flow.

Romans 5:18-21

Therefore as by the offence of one JUDGEMENT came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.

For as by one man's disobedience many were MADE SINNERS, so by the OBEDIENCE of one shall many be made righteous.

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might GRACE reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Yahshua HaMashiach our Master.

Now theologians/pastors/laymen read this passage and think that Messiah's death, which was a FREE GIFT/GRACE, means that we are not under the commandments.

No.

You are not under the JUDGEMENT which was the condemnation of death.

Ok,...so I would have to ask that now that you have partook of the free gift/GRACE, shall you continue in sin or must you start living a new way? Paul asks this same question in the next chapter.

Romans 6:1-7,12-18

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that GRACE may abound?

Paul's answer:

ELOHIM FORBID. How shall we, that are DEAD to sin, live any longer therein?

How can you, or anyone else that is dead to sin, live any longer in sin, which as we read, was the transgression of the law.

How can you come under Yahshua's blood and still not keep the sabbath?

...and STILL eat pig and other abominations?

....and STILL talk about "Jesus was born on Decemeber 25?......and STILL put a tree/idol up in your living room?

Let's continue this chapter

Know ye not that so many of us were baptized into Yahshua HaMashiach were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Messiah was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should WALK in the newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, WE SHALL

ALSO BE IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESURRECTION:
Knowing this, that our old man is CRUCIFIED with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin...

That adulterous, lying, idolotrous, pig-eating, Sunday morning-keeping, etc., etc., man/woman is DEAD! If he is dead then you are henceforth not serving sin. No ifs, and, or buts about it!

For he that is dead is freed from sin....
...;Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto Elohim, as those that alive from the dead, AND YOUR MEMBERS AS INSTRUMENTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO ELOHIM.

This is something that YOU have to do! Bust that rhetoric that those holier-than-thou people be talking about saying, "The holy spirit keeps me walking in Elohim." Yea...I'm like, "Show that to me in the book!" But at anyrate, this letter of Paul's is FLOWING! Let's look at a portion of the letter Paul wrote to the Colossians who were newly delivered from sin and the pagan lifestyle of their people.

Colossians 2:6-16

As ye have therefore recieved Yahshua HaMashiach the Master, so walk ye in him:
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Beware lest any man spoil you through PHILOSOPHY and VAIN DECEIT, after the TRADITION OF MEN, after the RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD, and not after Messiah.

Who were the philosophers in Paul's day? The Gentiles (Greeks and Romans) that's who. Their culture as them being the world rulers dictated what the traditions of men and the rudiments of the world were, just as present-day Christianity IS filled with traditions that came out of these Gentile idolatrous cultures.

For in HIM dwelleth ALL the fullness of the Elohim head bodily.

He's telling these Greeks, that not in Zeus, Apollo, Mithra, Easter (heh) and Diana does the Elohimhead exist, neither are they Elohims, but in the Elohim of Israel are these Greeks saved. Yes, this is a deep letter but it's very clear when you read it in context.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of ALL

(ALL, absolutely ALL...including Nero, Caligula, and all the other Gentile rulers of the day.)

PRINCIPALITY AND POWER:...
...And YOU being dead in your SINS AND THE UNCIRCUMCISION OF YOUR FLESH, hath he quickened together with him, having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES;
(GRACE!)
Blotting out the ordinances that was AGAINST US, which was CONTRARY to us,

Which ordinance was against us and contrary to us? He just told you that he had forgiven you all trespass or else you would have been subject to that ordinance that was against us.

Can you guess what that ordinance was?

and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers,he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath DAYS:

(Cuz they have been done away with?...No, Because

Which are a shadow of things TO COME; but the body is of Messiah.

Paul is telling these newly-converted Greeks to not let any man, and especially people of their own race which were the rulers, philosophers, and idolators, to judge them because they have took hold of the covenant of the Elohim of Israel which includes all those things that they would be judged by. Now, let's look at the ordinance that was against us.

Hebrews 10:26-28

For if we sin wilfully after that we have recieved the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE sacrifice for sins ,
But a certain fearful looking for of JUDGEMENT and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law DIED WITHOUT MERCY under two or three witnesses.

HERE is that law which was against us and contrary to us.
The JUDGEMENT laws.

We had to die and unless Yahshua was made a sacrifice for the world, the Gentiles which were idolators among other things, could have never ever became a part of the "commonwealth of Israel".

Finally, let's look at one more passage. This is when they brought an adulterer to Yahshua.

John 8:1-11

Yahshua went unto the mount of Olives
And early in the morning he came again into the temple,and all the people came unto him;and he sat down and taught them.
And the scribes and the Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Yahshua stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

Keep in mind here that had that woman not committed adultery, she would not have at this point,been put UNDER THE LAW...she needs some GRACE real quick or she will die.

And they which heard it, being CONVICTED by their OWN conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Yahshua was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Yahshua had just made intercession for this woman even before he BECAME the intercessor. Also note that had this woman given the option to sacrifice a bull or a goat as a JUDGEMENT for her sin, she would have happily done it. The sacrifices were not the ordinance that was contrary to us. Death was.

When Yahshua had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, and SIN NO MORE.

Right there, Yahshua not only showed you which law was abolished, but he also showed you that you cannot continue in sin so that grace may abound. I'm sure that adulteress understood that perfectly! And...I hope you do too!

Grace & Peace in Yahshua