the bible is nuts as fuck

[VividEnds]

no really


if this thing had a modern translation it would be iller than game of thrones

the rapture passages are especially interesting... Has really really cool metaphors

[VividEnds]

also, a lot of these passages are "divinely inspired" coming to people in "visions" or encounters, right?

we know that the farther we get into the future, the more likely/ easier it is we both
-encounter extraterrestrials
-develop time travel

what if the bible was written as a result of prophets from the future, sent by ourselves?

what if it was a celestial warning we had to issue ourselves as soon as we could in our development as a species, and chose to do it through carefully reverse- chronologically implanted mythology?

idk dudes. read this passage and tell me it doesn't sound like an atmospheric space encounter between an allied and an enemy force?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=ESV

if you were to try to make this into a conceivable warning given to ancient people from the future, could you do it?

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its just drugs bro

[veritas]

I have much to say about this.....

[Coup]

Here is the understanding on these verses:

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

-the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Ysrael

-the woman is the kingdom to come

being pregnant and in birth pains means those who have taken the covenant in spirit and in truth will go through tribulations and a purifying process on this earth while and before the kingdom comes down from heaven to be established on earth.

-the red dragon and the the 1/3 of the stars are the great dragon, called the devil and his fallen malikeem (angles) that are following him

the dragon stood before the people of Ysrael (those who worship in spirit and in truth) and he is waiting to devour the seekers of the Most High, he is not worried about the others because they already have his image..

-the child born is Yahshua, the Messiah

-the wilderness is where Yahshua will be taking his people to relearn the laws and statues of the Most High to be taught before waring with the nations and settting stright the world. this is called the 1000 year rein. It will take a thousand years to clean up Satan's kingdom. Satan rules it now...

7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers[a] has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

-this war of the 1000 year rein.

13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood[b] on the sand of the sea.

-The war contiunes, tribulations etc

-but for the elects sake the time is cut short and "we" are lead to the wilderness of saftey, just how after the Exoudus out of Egypt the first time to the wilderness. Before the Most High gave Ysrael the huge blessings to be the head and not the tail of all nations, they first had to be proven and learned in the wilderness....j

-a time, and times, and half a time is 3 1/2 years....that's all the time he has once this goes down



any questions ? Use the king james bible for dialog they are more accurate.

false doctrines

-rapture into the sky
-christian heaven when you die
-the whtie jews are the true Ysraelites

etct...

[veritas]

the rapture is not a lie.

[Coup]

build me an understanding of rapture using precepts from scripture...also letters of Paul do not support rapture, they are cherry picked to say this.

after you build an understanding, line upon line, precept upon precept, establishly all things by two or three witness, then I will show you the truth of the matter...

Edit:

scriptures are the so called "old testament" and not letters of Paul...etc..

Also consider Paul came form the sect of the Phraisees, whom were all masters of the law and scriptures...tho they put the traditions of men before God (Elohim) [rapture is a tradition], making them of no effect

So he knew very well the scriptures. And consider Pauls on words

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in MessiYAH Yahshua.

He is writing Timothy, a white Gentile in the flesh, that he known the scriptures since a child. The "NT" letters were not even compiled into text or book cannon when Tim was reading that. They both knew the scriptures were the books of Moses (Torah) and teh Tenak, or books of the Prophets.

Also very interesting is the fact that the book of Revelation has been spelled out by all the Prophets...though John received more details by Yahshua to write down in 92AD


No hate fam, just some thoughts.

I just realized the possibility of you "trollin"...oh well, I have zeal none the less lol

[~RustyGunZ~]

lolreligion

[veritas]

When the Bible says that "we are not appointed to wrath" what wrath does it mean?

[Witty]

I agree almost completely with what I have read so far in this thread from @Coup

I'll try and throw some insight in later tonight as this is one thing I've studied quite extensively.

Impressive knowledge though.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by VERITAS

When the Bible says that "we are not appointed to wrath" what wrath does it mean?

I know it's a Paul verse...I can't recall book...get me chapter and verse and I'll provide and build up your understanding according to mine...I'm very fimilar and am ready to help you. If I don't know I don't say.

More false doctrine to consider:

Laws nailed to the "cross"


looking to it @Witty

[veritas]

hold up fam.....If you believe the rapture is a lie then perhaps you should build yours to mine.

now:

answer me: what wrath is it that we are not appointed to?


1 thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


also let me ask you: who shall not die?

1 cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


especiallay since the bible says that it is appointed once for every man to die?


so answer me this: 1. what wrath is it that we are not appointed to? I say that we are not appointed to the wrath of GOD which is the tribulation period aka four sets of 7 judgements all getting progressively worse

and 2. who shall not sleep? I say it is the church, the called out body, ecclesia.


answer please:

[Witty]

The rapture is one of the most contested beliefs in religion in general lol this could go on for a few pages.

[veritas]

I am asking two questions

1. what wrath is it that we are not appointed to?
2. who is not going to sleep?

Originally Posted by Coup

the dragon stood before the people of Ysrael (those who worship in spirit and in truth) and he is waiting to devour the seekers of the Most High, he is not worried about the others because they already have his image..

Can you elaborate on this please? When you say seekers of the most high, what do you mean by most high? Please explain further.

However, no one knows the day or the hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. (NLT, Matthew 24:36)

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bible plot holes ftw

[TYSON]

I like this

[Coup]

yeah...I'll get to everything, according to my knowledge and understanding.


Just know this will take time and building up the totality of scripture in one thread may take a bit of patience.

Also know, some of you will no doubt be offended at some of the truths taken and stolen and paganized by world religion such as mainline Christianity and others...

Just know Rev 12:9 propesizes the WHOLE world has been sucesfully deceived. If the WHOLE world is doing something, stop and think (selah)...

Ill be back, waiting on @VERITAS
@Masaii no doubt...we have clues and propecies to not be ignorant of the wiles of Satan...

Interesting the 12 apostles kept on asking Yahshua these things...even he did not know the time or the hour.

[Coup]

Great questions...very good.

just saw @VERAITS reply...will be back with a bullet proof understanding ont out the words of Paul but out of scriptures, Paul knew there was no such thing as rapture...

also I will provide you what Paul is saying as he drew all understanding from scripture..you gotta keep in mind Paul was writing to gentiles whom were coming into the covenant, whom still worship pagan idols, he was teaching them...keep an historic mind and a Hebrew mindset..Paul was Hebrew form the tribe of Benjamen.

These same idols those Gentiles worshiped then, they do today...the wraped them all around scripture, thus pagainzing it.


Rapture is satan's doctrine to make you asleep
this is a pagan christian doctrine...