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Originally Posted by quaker oats

not surprised to see you bringing up OT laws, which Jesus abolished (hence why you can get divorced, don't have to sacrifice lambs for forgiveness, don't have to burn a woman's clothes when she's on her period, etc). good try, though.

"for all have sinned and fall short the glory of God." I'm sure you're familiar with this one. Theologically, the purpose is to LOVE the sinner and hate the sin, not try to attack all sinful people's ways of life.

for shits and giggles, hit up Amazon books and google my last name (Stinton) and see how many Biblical scholars are in my family. guys, you won't win this, just stop.

chess. not checkers. I was waiting for you to bring this up. and of course I will say wrong. Jesus fulfilled the law, not abolished it. he abolished the "ceremonial" aspect of it, such as the sacrifices of animals to atone for sins and keeping the sabbath, why? because he was the sabbath, and his blood would atone for sin, and the goats and rams were mere shadows and types. FURTHERMORE, the moral law was still, and is still very much in effect. Because according to you, he abolished the law, should we just let murder be ok? how about covetousness? Adultery is cool?

you err.

MATTHEW 19: 3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus was a revolutionary. HE was a revolutionary of thought. when he comes back he will be a revolutionary in action.

now then, the real issue here is that God's thoughts on homosexuality is that it is abominable. our courts have gone against God. These are wicked rulers, who feel they are enlightened.

This will provoke God. it is one thing to go against his wishes in the privacy of your own bedroom, and he will deal with you on that, and as I said before, I could care less, because it is between you and him.

BUT, when this is made law it becomes wicked. where nationally we say that wrong is right. this is when we will have a problem.

you err. I will gladly challenge you, and defend the faith.


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For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

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Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

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For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

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Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

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Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

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And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

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Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

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Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

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For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

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And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

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Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

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Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

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Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

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Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

THIS IS THE TRUTH. NOT ONLY ARE PEOPLE DOING SOMETHING WORTHY OF DEATH, BUT POLITICIANS ARE HAVING PLEASURE IN IT.

AS i told you before, homosexuality irregardless of whether you agree with God about it being abominable, is still not what God considers marriage, and thus it is fornication in his eyes. THere is no counter for this.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


AND WHO IS ATTACKING THEM? YOU MEAN DISAGREEING? IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE DESCENDED INTO? CALL UP ORWELL! SOMEONE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE AGENDA! THOUGHT CRIMINALS! THOUGHT CRIMINALS! YOU ERR. I WILL TELL YOU WHO IS ATTACKING GAYS. THE MUSLIMS. GO TELL THEM TO STOP. LET ME KNOW HOW THAT GOES TOUGH GUY. BRO IT IS SIMPLE: I LOVE ALL THE GAYS. I LOVE EVERYONE. HECK MY AUNT IS GAY TBR. BUT WHAT I WILL NOT DO, IS CHANGE WHAT I KNOW IS TRUE TO AVOID HURTING PEOPLES FEELINGS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT GET UPSET BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG. THAT IS NOT LOVE. IF YOU HAD CHILDREN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS. TELLING SOMEONE WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR. THAT IS LOVE.

MY ENTIRE POINT CAN BE SUMMED UP THUSLY: YOU ERR. GOD IS NOT MOCKED. WE HAVE PLACED OUR WICKED LAWS ABOVE HIS. THIS IS FACT.

GOOD SAY SIR.

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