SORRY GUYS I TRY TO TONE DOWN MUSIC SHIT BUT I FEEL THE NEED TO CORRECT ALL THIS
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Originally Posted by Battle Hymns
You are not looking deep enough, son
Why did black Jazz musicians want to improvise more than make actual songs? Because white musicians would come in and take their stuff like: The Beatles, Elvis, and any other band back in the 60s that was used to white wash the music. Now its Eminem...
This is nothing new fellas... if you guys know a little about history, you would've acknowledge that...
Plus, you forgot Blues which came before Jazz.. and where did Blues begin? Yeah in Louisiana but where? in the Ghettos! fucking retards.. Learn History
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lmao im a music teacher. here's improvisation in a nutshell
improv in modern western music came about during the baroque era, where composers (mostly white) would take a theme and improvise accompaniments/variations for it, or even just whole pieces... the most famous guy to do this was bach
early 20th century improv came about when jazz guys either:
a) in big bands, wanted to fill time (keeping in mind these were the pop tunes of the day)
b) wanted to play over a well known tune (usually written by white guys like cole porter/gershwin/berlin) but couldnt acquire rights, so they would make up heads on the spot or even improvise over them, then improvise solos because that was already part of the jazz idiom thanks to big band era stuff. this was done by guys of all colors, but the most famous contrafacts (what those are called) are off of showtunes written by white guys (usually gershwin). side note, the most famous contrafacts are by black guys. and i do love the tunes. and many of jazz's great improvisers where white. hell john coltrane even learned jazz from an italian
AND THEY ABSOLUTELY MADE ACTUAL SONGS. jazz isn't just 5 minutes of soloing
as far as white guys stealing styles... parker got ripped off by 90% of sax players in his day anyway, black and white. the next real 'innovating' era was cool jazz, which was pretty much half and half (see miles' birth of the cool album)
and blues showed up around the same time as jazz. if you mean african-esque spirituals, yes, those are older than jazz and basically influenced jazz with polyrhythms, call and response, general four on the floor backbeat stuff. european music had plenty to do with rhythms as well, and both sides were fairly involved with harmony. blues is such a small part of jazz comparatively anyway
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if you feel like talking more about this feel free to add me on aim. late 19th century music on is my specialty, especially jazz.