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Originally Posted by sraL
@ uh-oh from what I understand, your question is: if smart and good looking people only bred with others of the same ilk, then would there be even smarter and even better looking descendants? (i.e., a qualitative vs a quantitative result) after several generations? What about a quantitative increase, i.e., MORE smart and good looking descendants?
There are a couple of big problems with this. Here's just a few examples:
1. Humans take a longggg time to grow to breeding age bruh... It's going to take many generations to see the effects of your breeding program, hence my point earlier in the thread. It's not a coincidence that domestic animals tend to be ones that take less time to mature to breeding age.
2. How, exactly, are we measuring beauty and intelligence for the purposes of this project?
You mentioned your son being a "bigger, better" version of yourself. Most measures we have of such things are highly culture-dependent, and aren't always stable over time. Both big and small breasts were fashionable at different times in the twentieth century, which is only 3-4 human generations. Who's setting the breed standard here, and how do we keep it from changing? (I'm talking, lets say, three generations down the line after you're long dead and buried... who is going to be holding those exact same principles, morals and ethical values as you did when you started your project?)
3. What are we going to do with the offspring who aren't up to snuff? The laws and public opinion in most countries with decent infrastructure take a dim view of killing them, abandoning them, sterilizing them, or throwing them out of the community. A lot of people would have problems with doing this kind of thing to their own kids for the good of the community. What do we do when we have a child that clearly doesn't meet our standards, but its parents want to keep it and help it find a mate?
4. Beauty and intelligence are probably not solely genetic. There are probably also environmental factors that go into them that impact on all, in truth. Outside influences as much as inside. The term "product of your environment" exists for a reason.
5. People are interested in having sex with others who are neither smart (destroyer) nor beautiful (muff). Married people who have affairs (amen)don't always choose lovers who are smarter and more physically attractive than their spouses. Prince Charles' affair with Camilla Parker Bowles is a famous example of this that comes to mind even though I've already touched on the royal bloodline slightly earlier ITT.) |
we have some misconceptions here but i'll answer your points by the numbers
1. it isn't about changing us over night, or even in 1000 years, its just about making the best us moving forward. it takes thousands of years to make a chihuahuh (spelling lol) from a wolf, even with them getting into breeding age early. it isnt about that as much as mating lebron james and serena williams NOW. their kid is gonna be a beast. undoubtedly. we can even make her more fertile and she can have a litter like the octomom lol. but realistically itd probably be best one baby at a time letting it get the most womb nutrients or whatever. but yea i'm not looking for instant results as much as just putting the wheels in motion.
2. i've still yet to mention intelligence, you bring it up. i mention it in the sense that we can't quantify it in the sense that its passed on. like i said einsteins parents were dolts. his kids are regular dummies too. intelligence as i understand it is a crapshoot. the smartest people can have dumbass kids and vice versa. as far as BEAUTY, beauty is absolutely quantifiable through evolutionary science. we all have preferences, but across recorded history, and across every single culture, women go for taller men, broader shoulders etc., and men seek the hourglass figure. we like wide hips and fat asses because it helps with child rearing. we like big tits cuz it can nourish the offspring better, as well as the extra fat just helps the child in UTERO. but from ancient times to modern times the hourglass figure is revered, like i said we all vary in preferences, some guys like really skinny chicks with boy bodies. but we are working with averages here, and there is a reason instagram models with nice asses and tits have millions of followers, there is a reason certain pornstars are more popular than others etc. i'm sure you're thinking of maybe victorian times when paintings had goofy fat women in them and we're taught oh they liked fat women then, but keep in mind if you were fat you were well off, and also even those fat women would dress in dresses that got huge and puffy at the hips and tight at the waist with a corset with the tits smashed and pushed up. accentuating the hourglass figure you can see in every culture celebrated.
3. Offspring, and people who aren't up to snuff are sterilized. You're still allowed to marry and live a normal life, just if you want children you have to either have your chick knocked up, she doesn't even have to be with a lebron james for instance, but if she is deemed capable, you can get her inseminated. you basically live normal lives, you just have a sperm donor. if you're a scrawny blonde haired blue eyed guy you can get the blonde hair blue eyed jizz from some norse animal for your girl and raise him like your own. They aren't denied anything except the ability to pass on their own genes. They can find a "mate" and raise a family. its just not their genetics. Women who aren't up to snuff adopt, and women who are will be paid handsomely to have more kids, and you can even have them sell their eggs, so they don't carry the baby at all and have it placed in the inferior woman to rear.
4. I'm not so sure as far as beauty or intelligence goes. Ben carson is a genius in the field of operating on brains, granted he believes in bible nonsense and thinks the pyramids were grain silos, but still he was from a poor community in detroit and ascended as high as anyone. The same with beauty, you can find absolute dimes from trailerparks. again both are rare, but its possible. When everyone being born is a genetic freak the chances will go up as far as beauty and again, intelligence i've seen nothing in the way of it being genetic, its a crapshoot.
5. Again, none of these people will be stopped from living these lives. Lebron james can fuck and marry honey boo boos wife. He just has to make monthly sperm deposits under a government mandate, and honey boo boo's mom will be sterilized/tubes tied. No one is stopped from fucking anyone, they are being stopped from breeding.