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Originally Posted by Objective
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reading again they seem to be only touching on the torture aspects, not as much rules of engagement and shit. im not big on torture for the simple fact you can torture a person to say anything. for every bit of factual intel you get you're gonna get a load of malarkey. i'm a dummy citizen though so i don't really know how effective it could be.
when it comes to rules of engagement though just look throughout history for countless examples where being the "better" nation fails. from the "chivalry" times with knights being shredded by the "dishonorable" longbowmen, to the mongols and huns, and even before that to bc times, with roman infantry being slaughtered by parthians. going in expecting a battle where the lines meet, but they parthians just ride up to the heavy infantry of romans, pepper them with arrows and ride away firing more never engaging.
but again its stupid the "wars" we are in. we cant just ride in burn crops and houses. we can't indiscriminately kill a town etc.
reading caesars conquest of gaul for the bazillionth time, and just think about the fact that if you harbored militants he would burn your fields and town, and take all the people they didnt slaughter as slaves. in 2016 it seems terrible. but it was war. you have to deprive the enemy of its will to fight. we do the opposite, and give them more reasons to fight by trying to be tactical and just end up being inefficient.
there is no winning this war.
even look to vietnam, where america was BODYING vietcong. the body count was ridiculously in favor of america, but the images and horrors of war were broadcast, stories of innocent villages being burned got to the hippies and liberals, and when a people doesn't support a war the war is lost. we aren't so different from our ancient ancestors as everyone would like to think. genetically we are exactly the same. our social norms have changed sure, but if the softhearted in rome, the great britain empire, the spanish, french you name the conquerer if there people were shown the horrors of war the war machine would have lost all support.
thats why we are failing in all these conflicts. the people don't support them anymore.
george bush had support initially, we went to war with iraq itself to depose sadaam, and did so. there was bombing of cities. sieges of cities. everything that actually resembled war. now we use tactical strikes that resemble nothing precedented in history. its really a campaign of terror where if a drone strike doesn't kill you like a lightning bolt from zeus himself, a tactical squad will kick the door down to kill and capture a name off a list that only gets longer
ITS NONSENSE AT BEST MATE.