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Objective · 02-03-2016, 12:10 AM

@Witty: I will, I never give up although it seems tough at times. You keep going too. :)
@uh-oh: Finally, some time but I think I actually managed to cover a lot with my previous reply as well. However: ''You shouldnt be able to support a family on minimum wage but again this is where im a shitty human. I dont think you should even be allowed to procreate unless you can support the kid.'' I... Agree. But two people on minimum wage should be able to do so with 37-40h/week, at least with 1 kid. If two people want to make it work with 1 of them being a stay at home mom/dad then you're in tough luck and it's time for the other to get a job as well. This means that things need to be set in place so daycares isn't crippling anyone's financial situation too much, flu shots and other obligatory vaccines taken in school should be free to everyone (don't know if they are in the states, but they are over here and fuck the anti-vaxxers). I do however agree with minimum wages should be locally or by state like you said, it makes the most sense with how the US works.

What I do not agree with is your statement of the state not intervening with how citizens deal with their lives. Why? Because I think it's crippling to a country to not make sure the citizens are having fulfilling lives as over time it'll go out on the economy and/or have negative effects on crime rates and so forth with people taking the ''easy route'' or easier fall into addiction since nothing else works anyways and they may not get the bump they need to get back to work to make money and pay enough taxes that can help out the countryin several meaningful ways when used properly. Free healthcare to a certain extent should be a no-brainer, and any expenses should be based on a persons income and how much they can actually pay. It shouldn't be unfair either to rich people so a decline in costs overall should be set in place, it needs to be balanced in some way as well. But only to a certain extent of course, people shouldn't feel like it's worth to do nothing and I believe there needs to be certain grounds that needs to be met in order to receive welfare like actively looking for a job, help with how to conduct a interview and write a meaningful CV or attending courses/studying to up their qualifications so they can get a job if they lack qualifications to meet those demands. Someone dealing with depression and/or not finding any reasons to live will not do well with a job at McDonalds or Home Depot if their passion lies within IT if nothing is set place to help them get out of that bump and get a job they're okay with. But there should be certain reasons set in place for that to happen.

I also don't like how a shitload of people get in serious debt and battling it for decades for chasing education. It should be motivating to go for, not life altering if they can't get a job the moment they get out of there.
In Norway you can get scholar ships or loans and start paying off your debt once you get a job. Usually the state help with 50% of the cost or 100% depending on what you're going for and at which school given that you don't fail. If you fail the promise of 100% coverage will be brought down to 0%. Even when you fail you start paying once you're having a job and pay it down with a percentage based on how much you earn. If your debt (no matter where it stems from) is so huge you can't even pay a small portion you can gather the parties along with an impartial financial advisor from the state involved and make a deal to pay down as much as you can within 5 years based on a percentage of how much you get from working, and when those 5 years have passed it's cleared so you can start from scratch again and have a future free of debt. If one of the parties doesn't want that, tough luck as the financial advisor will then focus on those willing to through such a deal, focus on them, leave the other one in the dark as it piles up and the debt will be cleared and removed from all systems anyways. Most people are willing to make a deal so they can get at least part of what they initially owe. Often people need to sell their house (if it makes sense and renting somewhere is cheaper), car (and exchange it with a cheaper one if it's needed to get to/from work and public transportation can't get them to where they work) and other items in order to help paying down that debt, the main focus is to get rid of it all. Don't know if that's how it works in the US but it makes sense to me.

I think Bernie Sanders is a great candidate because the most ludicrous things he want to get through with is probably something that'll never happen, while the things that'll help to balance things a bit more and turn things into the right direction will probably happen.

Either way, Hillary over Trump all day, every day. That guys is hands down dangerous and will inevitably ruin important ties you have now.

02-03-2016, 12:10 AM	#9
Objective ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º) Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,868 Battle Record: 17-32 Rep Power: 52474192	@Witty: I will, I never give up although it seems tough at times. You keep going too. :) @uh-oh: Finally, some time but I think I actually managed to cover a lot with my previous reply as well. However: ''You shouldnt be able to support a family on minimum wage but again this is where im a shitty human. I dont think you should even be allowed to procreate unless you can support the kid.'' I... Agree. But two people on minimum wage should be able to do so with 37-40h/week, at least with 1 kid. If two people want to make it work with 1 of them being a stay at home mom/dad then you're in tough luck and it's time for the other to get a job as well. This means that things need to be set in place so daycares isn't crippling anyone's financial situation too much, flu shots and other obligatory vaccines taken in school should be free to everyone (don't know if they are in the states, but they are over here and fuck the anti-vaxxers). I do however agree with minimum wages should be locally or by state like you said, it makes the most sense with how the US works. What I do not agree with is your statement of the state not intervening with how citizens deal with their lives. Why? Because I think it's crippling to a country to not make sure the citizens are having fulfilling lives as over time it'll go out on the economy and/or have negative effects on crime rates and so forth with people taking the ''easy route'' or easier fall into addiction since nothing else works anyways and they may not get the bump they need to get back to work to make money and pay enough taxes that can help out the countryin several meaningful ways when used properly. Free healthcare to a certain extent should be a no-brainer, and any expenses should be based on a persons income and how much they can actually pay. It shouldn't be unfair either to rich people so a decline in costs overall should be set in place, it needs to be balanced in some way as well. But only to a certain extent of course, people shouldn't feel like it's worth to do nothing and I believe there needs to be certain grounds that needs to be met in order to receive welfare like actively looking for a job, help with how to conduct a interview and write a meaningful CV or attending courses/studying to up their qualifications so they can get a job if they lack qualifications to meet those demands. Someone dealing with depression and/or not finding any reasons to live will not do well with a job at McDonalds or Home Depot if their passion lies within IT if nothing is set place to help them get out of that bump and get a job they're okay with. But there should be certain reasons set in place for that to happen. I also don't like how a shitload of people get in serious debt and battling it for decades for chasing education. It should be motivating to go for, not life altering if they can't get a job the moment they get out of there. In Norway you can get scholar ships or loans and start paying off your debt once you get a job. Usually the state help with 50% of the cost or 100% depending on what you're going for and at which school given that you don't fail. If you fail the promise of 100% coverage will be brought down to 0%. Even when you fail you start paying once you're having a job and pay it down with a percentage based on how much you earn. If your debt (no matter where it stems from) is so huge you can't even pay a small portion you can gather the parties along with an impartial financial advisor from the state involved and make a deal to pay down as much as you can within 5 years based on a percentage of how much you get from working, and when those 5 years have passed it's cleared so you can start from scratch again and have a future free of debt. If one of the parties doesn't want that, tough luck as the financial advisor will then focus on those willing to through such a deal, focus on them, leave the other one in the dark as it piles up and the debt will be cleared and removed from all systems anyways. Most people are willing to make a deal so they can get at least part of what they initially owe. Often people need to sell their house (if it makes sense and renting somewhere is cheaper), car (and exchange it with a cheaper one if it's needed to get to/from work and public transportation can't get them to where they work) and other items in order to help paying down that debt, the main focus is to get rid of it all. Don't know if that's how it works in the US but it makes sense to me. I think Bernie Sanders is a great candidate because the most ludicrous things he want to get through with is probably something that'll never happen, while the things that'll help to balance things a bit more and turn things into the right direction will probably happen. Either way, Hillary over Trump all day, every day. That guys is hands down dangerous and will inevitably ruin important ties you have now. __________________ I'm not a slave for entertainment, I'm entertainments personal slave, So deep into writing I'm concerned bout the text on my grave. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV8ozGcGJ6o Last edited by Objective; 02-03-2016 at 12:13 AM.