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Originally Posted by Destroyer
I'd argue that intellect plays a bigger role than its getting credit for here
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True.
After I posted, I realized that you had said this, succinctly, b4 i said
Perhaps at some point humans just realized "why pick this berry or vegetable if I can work together with fellow humans to grow them and feed the whole family? or the whole tribe. and store some for winter. and trade them for furs, which I don't have, but, this other guy who lives close by specializes in them".. etc etc
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Originally Posted by Witty
@pharaoh's army - I read an opinion that what Marx failed to také in to account was the drive and ability of the opressed to overcome as individual rather than as a unit, and that his worldview supposed that the weak and downtrodden will always be so unless they unite, disregarding individuality as a means to escape.
Would you agree? I think he was right about the problem, but fell short on the solution.
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sounds very Ayn-Randish. lol.. altho i pretty much agree..
right about the problem, fell short on solution.. totalitarians certainly hurt his cause haha.
But tbh you are starting another topic...I know some basic things, but frankly I haven't read Marx... & I don't know how to answer your initial question bout the maintenance of social order without doing at least a little research.
the commie thing was me grasping for a quick example..
perhaps rather than philosophy/ideology- written my marx/engel- i should have pointed to the Russian revolution itself... The way ruling class toppled; there were breaking points, etc.
Although a new social order rose- probly quicker- than other "topplings" in different places×.. Bah!
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Originally Posted by quaker oats
In it, he makes a pretty compelling case that one of the most important aspects of social order/development is an enforced legal infrastructure. There's a reason "law" and "order" tend to go hand in hand.
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Again hedging- haven't read the de Soto book... But what you've summarized here makes me wonder-- Which comes first?.. Could an enforced legal structure technically come After social order/development?... semantics?
probably more like a perpetual cycle, more laws&enforcement with more order; more order with more laws&enforcement.
Is this coherent? I think u said somethin bout a chicken&egg few weeks ago.