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Old 02-07-2014, 03:24 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Mael View Post
believe
biˈlēv/
verb

-- hold (something) as an opinion; think or suppose.

believe
verb [T] /bɪˈliːv/
A2 to think that something is true, correct, or real: Strangely, no one believed us when we told them we'd been visited by a creature from Mars.
[+ that] He believes that all children are born with equal intelligence.
She's arriving tomorrow, I believe. "Is she coming alone?" "We believe not/so (= we think she is not/is)." [+ obj + to infinitive ] I believe her to be the finest violinist in the world. [+ obj + adj ] All the crew are missing, believed dead.

^All examples of the verb to believe, all examples of something that is not factual





belief
biˈlēf/
noun

-- an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

Exactly 'an acceptance' if you have to accept something is true you don't have infallibale proof and therefore should not be accepting it in the first place



My God, there is so much wrong with this statement. You're either ill-informed or stupid. Obviously, you haven't heard of illusions - that the senses are fallible.
http://forums.philosophyforums.com/t...ion-29558.html

Once you get past the problems of qualia, consider the statement "the color red is red is true." Well, not it's not. You have this problem;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_spectrum

If you're some sort of genius and figure that one out, then tackle the Hard Problem of consciousness. The complexity of this subject knows no end.

But keep spewing nonsense if it makes you feel better.

Your second point is not really relevant to the discussion, I understand entirely that the senses are fallible, and that our truth is based on our perception of the world, but but that does mean we should blindly accept things that we can not prove, we should not accept anything as truth if there is no evidence for it, which is what we are discussing. I am not saying ghosts don't exist, or that red is definitely red, I am saying that until something is proven it should not be accepted as truth, and to believe something is to accept it as truth. I'm not saying there are not things we can not see or feel, I am saying that until they are discovered why would we believe them?...because they might exist? It's like light....in the spectrum of light we see very litte, but we have discovered other light that our senses don't pick up, so we accept this as truth....however, that could not be accepted as truth or 'believed' until it was discovered. So I don't know where you are going with that.

I don't think you are as intelligent as you think you are, most who resort to insults are not.
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