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Originally Posted by detour
well let's see...the government, per our constitution an laws, is NOT allowed to monitor everything i do...thus, i have the RIGHT to not be monitored in everything i do...however, the NSA does it anyways...do u see now how my freedom to live without being constantly tracked an monitored is being infringed?
an whether we knew they were monitoring everything or not, he pushed it from the realm of "conspiracy theory" into verifiable FACT...on the surface, that might not make a huge difference, but there are a LOT of people who never believed all that shit before snowden provided the documentation to prove it...
not only that, but he pushed the debate over it back into the lime light...he sparked a whole new wave of discussion over the ever-expanding power of the government...it doesn't mean they gonna STOP breaking the law, but there's a lot of people who didn't believe it before, but do now that he showed the proof...
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the executive orders put in by the presidents override the constitution. thats just the law. you think people were yelling about fiat currencies when abe lincoln invented his own to save america from central banking? but fiat currency is against the constitution!
he didnt move it from "conspiracy theory" to fact. read the patriot act dummy. they had the right to monitor your calls. if the government put in a law saying they have the right to move blonde jews to fema camps, you ain't gonna know its for real until they knock on your door?
him breaking it into the lime light, wouldnt have even been a big deal if it didnt reveal we were spying on other nations leaders. thats where the problem lies. the government doesnt care about us man. if we called someone on there list then they would care. this isnt some secret conspiracy shit to strip our rights.
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Originally Posted by detour
how is that going off track? u asked me to tell u how the government has committed treason against the american people...that's EXACTLY WHAT I DID...if sinking ur own battleships an lying about who did it to convince the public to support the vietnam war (which cost thousands of american an vietnamese lives) doesn't make u a traitor, what does? is it breaking the laws u swear to uphold in order to sell out ur country to an elite few? is kidnapping american citizens an torturing them to try an chase some non existent mind control methods not traitorous to the people?
so please, explain to me how i strayed off track by listing cases of the government betraying the american people an the constitution it is sworn to uphold, when that's exactly what u asked me to do?
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i didnt clarify my point or you didnt read it right. i said how did the government commit treason, in reference to this situation.
and man its really hard to take you serious when the shit you bring up you don't even know about. the gulf of tonkin didnt sink anything. the first battle actually happened. it was three north vietnamese torpedo boats, all of which were threats eliminated. the destroyer and a plane that was firing on them, was slightly damaged. meaning they probably got damaged in destroying those shitty vietnamese boats.
the SECOND engagement was completely made up, there was no attack, no radar imaging of anything etc. they made that engagement up to speed up the process because they were intent on warring with them in the first place.
it was a false flag because they stated they were attacked and weren't. thats the conspiracy theory. the us didnt sink us ships. there was 1 minor skirmish, and 1 fake skirmish.