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namix · 03-10-2013, 11:28 AM

Knucklehead - I dipped for years. While the path to quitting any addiction is different for each individual - if you are strong enough you can subjugate the path most take to 'kicking their habits' (from patches, to avoiding key 'triggers' in the day, etc), and cut to the chase.

The overarching trick is to remind yourself that you are choosing to allow yourself to be addicted. Literally, it is a natural trait in our species to "become addicted" to something -- much of it stems from our existence in a world bound by time, as deep as it may seem. We want to 'break out our time' by creating cycles with personal rewards, some big (annual trips to vegas), some small (happy hours on friday after a work week), some controlled (doing harder than normal drugs for a friend's bachelor party), some less monitored (dipping throughout the day).

By knowing this you can recognize the power and importance of "filling the void". Folks who 'fall off the wagon' tend to do so because they tried to quit through 'sheer will' - they suffer the most day-to-day as they avoid their 'rewards' - and one day allow themselves to manipulate themselves - to give themselves a 'reason they should be allowed to, say, dip again' (from a crazy finals week in school -- to an old friend in town visiting -- to the death of a loved one).

The people that are successful tend to fill the void with something else... many of us know a "smoker" who quit and starts again and quits again -- and many of us know one who quit and never picked it up again. The successful one often has 'changed their lifestyle' beyond just quitting smoking -- many times they end up being the epitome of health nuts, replacing their reward of a smoke with the reward of health, literally becoming addicted to exercise.

No matter how you go about quitting -this understanding can help ensure you get it done right. You clearly want to quit, and it is in your power to do so. THE HARDEST PART IS DONE FOR YOU MY FRIEND. That's what's cool tbh in your case, because when I quit chew, I didn't really want to quit, I just wanted reasons to not quit and recognized my addiction and was kinda disgusted that I went so long without recognizing it, so i quit out of sheer will and fell off the wagon a couple times before i was disgusted enough with my lack of success that I quit successfully eventually.

THE DETAILED APPROACH, I used to love chewing after a fucking good meal or while watching a movie -- my will wasn't as strong as it is now, so I had to just wait a while before I could watch a movie, i was a sucker for that shit. After a good meal - i just resorted to something else, 'filled that void with a lesser addiction'. If necessary you can move to nicorette for a few weeks or something, but in many ways it just keeps the individual 'one step away from going back to their original addiction'. Even sunflower seeds are helpful for chewers -- but should be used temporarily, because again, it is just one step away (even with no nicotine, one is reinforcing their habit, giving their subconscious a reason to believe the addiction is being filled, so never truly overcoming the addiction WHILE not ever truly being satisfied at the same time).

So knowing you should 'fill the void with something else', but that 'what you chose to fill it with will essentially just replace your addiction' --- the BEST way to achieve success here, imo at least, is by "becoming addicted to the feeling not having addiction"....

Again, I know it's deep -- but when you feel that urge, turn that pain into pleasure -- it is all a mind game after all.

The only two things people are physiologically "addicted" to is dopamine and serotonin -- it's all in your head, and they can be triggered through physical action which triggers thought OR directly through thought itself. So everytime you want to dip, remember that feeling of 'taking a dip out'. When shits stuck in your teeth, when you are no longer enjoying the feeling of 'satisfying the craving' -- when you almost want to have another one right away, but also don't want to because you just had one, so you feel like you cannot be satisfied either way. Hang on to that feeling for a minute - and then remember that you didn't just have a dip - and that you are stronger for it, and that your "next dip is to come" somewhere down the line, and when you feel its time to have that dip, then go through the same process of remembering all over again.

Man sorry for the long post - i just have an affinity for those addicted to dip since i was really bad myself for a while. I also know my suggestions weren't "text book, 'how to quit things'", but hope maybe there's something in there that helps ya - and either way, good luck pawtna.

03-10-2013, 11:28 AM	#46
namix been that, done there. Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,259 Battle Record: 2-1 Accomplishments - OM HOF Rep Power: 85246655	Knucklehead - I dipped for years. While the path to quitting any addiction is different for each individual - if you are strong enough you can subjugate the path most take to 'kicking their habits' (from patches, to avoiding key 'triggers' in the day, etc), and cut to the chase. The overarching trick is to remind yourself that you are choosing to allow yourself to be addicted. Literally, it is a natural trait in our species to "become addicted" to something -- much of it stems from our existence in a world bound by time, as deep as it may seem. We want to 'break out our time' by creating cycles with personal rewards, some big (annual trips to vegas), some small (happy hours on friday after a work week), some controlled (doing harder than normal drugs for a friend's bachelor party), some less monitored (dipping throughout the day). By knowing this you can recognize the power and importance of "filling the void". Folks who 'fall off the wagon' tend to do so because they tried to quit through 'sheer will' - they suffer the most day-to-day as they avoid their 'rewards' - and one day allow themselves to manipulate themselves - to give themselves a 'reason they should be allowed to, say, dip again' (from a crazy finals week in school -- to an old friend in town visiting -- to the death of a loved one). The people that are successful tend to fill the void with something else... many of us know a "smoker" who quit and starts again and quits again -- and many of us know one who quit and never picked it up again. The successful one often has 'changed their lifestyle' beyond just quitting smoking -- many times they end up being the epitome of health nuts, replacing their reward of a smoke with the reward of health, literally becoming addicted to exercise. No matter how you go about quitting -this understanding can help ensure you get it done right. You clearly want to quit, and it is in your power to do so. THE HARDEST PART IS DONE FOR YOU MY FRIEND. That's what's cool tbh in your case, because when I quit chew, I didn't really want to quit, I just wanted reasons to not quit and recognized my addiction and was kinda disgusted that I went so long without recognizing it, so i quit out of sheer will and fell off the wagon a couple times before i was disgusted enough with my lack of success that I quit successfully eventually. THE DETAILED APPROACH, I used to love chewing after a fucking good meal or while watching a movie -- my will wasn't as strong as it is now, so I had to just wait a while before I could watch a movie, i was a sucker for that shit. After a good meal - i just resorted to something else, 'filled that void with a lesser addiction'. If necessary you can move to nicorette for a few weeks or something, but in many ways it just keeps the individual 'one step away from going back to their original addiction'. Even sunflower seeds are helpful for chewers -- but should be used temporarily, because again, it is just one step away (even with no nicotine, one is reinforcing their habit, giving their subconscious a reason to believe the addiction is being filled, so never truly overcoming the addiction WHILE not ever truly being satisfied at the same time). So knowing you should 'fill the void with something else', but that 'what you chose to fill it with will essentially just replace your addiction' --- the BEST way to achieve success here, imo at least, is by "becoming addicted to the feeling not having addiction".... Again, I know it's deep -- but when you feel that urge, turn that pain into pleasure -- it is all a mind game after all. The only two things people are physiologically "addicted" to is dopamine and serotonin -- it's all in your head, and they can be triggered through physical action which triggers thought OR directly through thought itself. So everytime you want to dip, remember that feeling of 'taking a dip out'. When shits stuck in your teeth, when you are no longer enjoying the feeling of 'satisfying the craving' -- when you almost want to have another one right away, but also don't want to because you just had one, so you feel like you cannot be satisfied either way. Hang on to that feeling for a minute - and then remember that you didn't just have a dip - and that you are stronger for it, and that your "next dip is to come" somewhere down the line, and when you feel its time to have that dip, then go through the same process of remembering all over again. Man sorry for the long post - i just have an affinity for those addicted to dip since i was really bad myself for a while. I also know my suggestions weren't "text book, 'how to quit things'", but hope maybe there's something in there that helps ya - and either way, good luck pawtna.