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Originally Posted by oats
this is a loaded question, and not helping your case tbh. theologically speaking, at least from the judeo-christian line of thinking, having free will necessitates suffering/sin. also, the premise would be contested, since biblically, all are born as flawed creatures, meaning no one is "good" in that sense. that's just a moral compass that humans use to differentiate between shitty people and shittier people. again, this is speaking from a theological standpoint to address your question.
my problem with that line of thought, and veritas I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, is whether or not christians believe free will exists in heaven. If yes, then clearly free will does not necessitate sin, and all of human existence seems pretty pointless, unless God planned on/wanted people to go to hell, which is incompatible with the christian view of God.
Or there is no free will in heaven, which begs the question - why have it on Earth then? It's taught that free will is the ultimate sign of love from the omnipotent creator, but if his cradle of perfection (heaven) doesn't include it, then it doesn't sound like free will is all that great of a gift from God.
either way, God doesn't come out looking good.
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Bare with me.
1) Yes, there is free will in Heaven. Lucifer was a prime example of this. Without free will he wouldn't have had the ability to choose rebellion and an attempt to stage a coup, in which he failed miserably and was given an ultimatum along with 1/3rd of the angels he convinced to follow him. That resulted in all of them being the first inmates in their state's jail, we know as hell.
2) There's a debate among theologians whether God specifically created people to go to hell, and it's based on this scripture;
"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
- Proverbs 16:4
3) One of the greatest misconceptions of all time concerning Christianity and biblical ideology is the idea that heaven is the final destination. This is simply not true. I believe it was the theolegian Dr. Myles Munroe who said; "God created angels to sing. I wouldn't want to hear you sing either", and even went on to say "God doesn't even want you in heaven, that's why he's going to start it all over again with a new earth."
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
- Revelation 21:1
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oats, remember Hume's Problem of induction? Consider that we are assuming pleasure/good is the inherent (default) state. This is an assumption. In other words, evil ought have equal prevalence.