new Kendrick Lamar single
 

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don't know how to post just the soundcloud link. I dig it.

Blech.

I say blech, oats.

awful. wouldn't be surprised if that born again faggot Pharrell helped with the production like
"Yo this song good but the beat is too dope, try scrapping it and putting on a stereotypical Santana guitar riff. Maybe some backup vocals by Michelle Branch. And I like the lyrics, but they'd be better if you deleted all the content and made yor delivery more cookie cutter. Word it's got potential tho"

I can see why some people would like it. It seems purposefully polarizing. There's nothing horrible about it. Just not for me. Not the direction Id like to see Kendrick go. But whatever I'm sure the album will be good. It is a single, after all. But much worse, to me, than his singles off of gkmc as a comparison. Doesn't portend anything. But as a radio friendly unit pusher I don't rank it highly.

I love it. It's so Daisy Age. I can't remember the last time an act as big as him tried to recall early De La Soul/Arrested Develoment (yes, more than Beastie Boys despite the sample).

Pharrell cool

This was 2 niggas that might have done a little too much coke.

I never really liked kendrick tho.

Yeah, like imagine if Pharrell got his hands on trap rap or something and totally made good rappers consider a pop audience. The result would be terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWAWcx4xdE

(Just to be clear, Pharrell did not produce this track.)

just when i thought kendrick was bad, he gets worse

Snarky Certain is snarky

Worse than "Poetic Justice"?

Y'all are underestimating the complexity of this track. There's a lot going on, more musically than anything on Good Kid, M.A.A.D City other than perhaps "Swimming Pools."

I mean, if you don't like 3 Feet High and Rising, maybe I get it. But I also question your soul.

I was gonna say this song was surprisingly fresh for something Pharrell got his hands on

Trap rap is like Gucci/ Waka/ old 2 Chainz and old Juicy J?

Cause (minus Gucci) all their stuff that wasn't pop was dope... 2 Chainz and Juicy J very much sold out.

So yeah I fully agree

It just sucks that all the true talent is what big labels and pop producers usually manage to convince to try appealing to larger audiences

It's like if college ball was actually just an amateur league that wasn't limited to college athletes. All the top tier players go to the NFL with the other talent, and they are still super talented, but the atmosphere of the game just isn't as appealing as it is in the Pro-Am leagues. All the people that make the league worth watching are sucked up in a couple years and a new class of young talent fills their spots, so you only get to enjoy watching a couple years of your favorite players careers. Everyone that stays is like the people who couldn't quite make the cut and stay on the verge of dopeness, never quite achieving it.

Split, just stay away from talking about rap from before 2012.

Shit banging to me yo.

It's ok

It's garbage.. It might have a message but, this ain't fuckinSing About Me had one of the strongest messages on that album imo..

This is just ridiculous.

Ehhhhhh.

I wouldn't listen to it again.

I dig it, aside from his weird alien voice.

Stfu and get off your high horse?

Music is highly opinion-based.


I, too, could find a database of every rap album review since 1980, compute the average weighted by the critic's popular appeal cross-multiplied by their objectivity factor and then create a Certain's Top 2000 Albums of the Decade so I could scoff at everyone not in line with the general consensus & masturabte furiously to my self-righteousness.


But I'm not a fucking douchebag so I don't

All your opinions are so 'safe.' Do you listen to anything without immediately evaluating its worth in the grand scheme of pop culture?

fuck you

Music is highly opinion-based until you think that when I made a reference to Pharrell producing trap-rap and LINKED TO "GRINDIN' " I was talking about Gucci Mane.

I don't care about your opinions on this song. Many didn't like it. But your lack of knowledge is not a matter of opinion.

V/CERTAIN

I think he's smart to experiment musically. The weird voice is whatever to me, not necessary but doesn't take away from it significantly. It's a fun song. It grows on me.

And two more points that simply are below your level of intelligence as you get heated at me for dismissing you, @Split:

You say my music opinions are safe because you have absolutely no backdrop on music history. It's easier for you to think that than to consider the literally thousands of dollars and hours I've sunk into this hobby. Some of my opinions line up with critical consensus because critics are professional music listeners and often right about things. But I could give you hundreds of examples where I think the consensus critical opinion is wrong on something.

Then there's this:

"Do you listen to anything without immediately evaluating its worth in the grand scheme of pop culture?"

I try not to. It's called objectivity and allows us to separate ourselves from the idiots who only understand their own trigger-happy emotions.

BETTER CONCEPT THROUGHOUT STORY, JUST OVERALL BETTER SCHMES AND STUFF SPLIT TRIED BUT DIDNT DELIVER LIKE THIS HERE

WTF IS A MASTURABTE? LIKE IS THE B SILENT? MASTER ATE? IDK HAD POTENTIAL BUT ENDING WAS EH

V/CERTAIN

plz stap fiten bb cant take bb head hurt :~[

Never been a huge fan of Kendrick. Didn't see what the big deal was with Good Kid, even though I admit to not giving it much of a chance. He has a unique voice and style, with catchy cadences and flows. He's good, just not anything like what he seems to be regarded as.

This song is good as a single, and does have a kind of timeless feel to it. Good music this song is. It's stuck in my head while I type this, actually. I'd prefer hearing this 10 times a day on the radio juxtaposed with Pharrell's Happy song.

I assumed that you posted a video of what you thought was good trap rap. But couldn't tell what you were implying with that weird tangential Pharrell cameo

I asked if Gucci Mane, Juicy J, 2 Chainz, and Waka were all considered trap rap, earlier in their careers... because 2 Chainz and Juicy J are examples of what happens when you apply a liberal dosage of Pharrellitude to rappers who once had grimy, low budget production

Then you told me I know little to nothing about music when I have posted little to nothing about the music I listen to on this forum, or what I consider good outside of the latest releases.

I snapped at you to stop being condescending because I was trying to get specific information out of you regarding your music background/ engage in a discussion and not a debate, and you called me an ignorant retard who isn't qualified to discuss music because you misread my post and because you know so many things.

ALL BECAUSE I CANT TELL WHEN YOURE BEING SNARKY AND WHEN YOU ARE BEING FORTHCOMING

"weird tangential Pharrell cameo."

Friend, he produced everything from the first two Clipse albums and gave them their entire signature sound.

Hell Hath No Fury is a phenomenal album.

yeah, yeah it is.

i used to love clipse but i have not been able to get into any of pusha's solo shit since then. what is wrong with me? its not like i was a huge malice fan either. idk

The pedantic opacity really makes the crushing reality of my own ignorance that much sweeter

Thanks for this, Certain


EDIT:

Whatever. I'm familiar with a wider variety of musical acts, producers, and artists (and i guess music history) than 90% of people I talk to in college/ my hometown. Especially rap and indie/alternative. It's impossible for me to bridge the gap between discussing music among friends and discussing music on the internet. My friends know too little and the internet knows too much. I dont have it in me to lurk /mu/ to make up for two decades of musical non-participation

So I guess I'm stuck only being able to discuss 2012 onwards


All I wanted to say was that Kendrick's music is uncomfortably marketable, whereas before I enjoyed how he painted a love/hate relationship with how the harsh realities of his childhood affected his life and the lives of his friends and family, then and now.

Hell Hath No Fury is amazing. I listened to it last week, actually.

I used to think Malice was better. (THIS WAS A MINORITY OPINION, FOR THOSE WHO CARE.) My primary point was that Pusha-T was a bit more one-dimensional, while Malice could do the trap and punchline stuff (though not as well as Pusha-T) but was more eager to show the dark side of the game:

I still love a lot of Malice's verses like that, especially in contrast to his brother's harder edge. But the truth is that Pusha-T was much more creative. And now Malice is a Christian rapper, so ...

You deleted your post? You actually made a couple valid points, including the one on this Kendrick Lamar song.

That's why I barely discuss movies on the Internet. My scope is so limited. Even with TV, which I got into quite a bit starting about five years ago, I'm so far behind having not even watched The Soprano's that I try to keep my sights on what I know about.

The Internet is a place where any lack of knowledge will get exposed.

why exposed? if you have an opinion, state it and be willing to change it when you encounter new information (sounds like a blog I wrote HMMMMMM). I don't know shit about a lot of things that people talk about on here, which is why I like to have discussions; I get to learn. you don't have to be an expert about something to speak on it, so long as you're not mumpsimus about it.

That's a very valid way of looking at things. I often ask questions when I get involved in discussions where I don't know the answers, among friends. But for me, on the Internet, it's easier to stick with what you know.

The only reason I was such a dick (admittedly) to Split is because he made an ignorant generalization about one of the most influential and talented producers of the past 20 years.

I edited it into my old post because I was trying to clarify, but by the time I had posted the conversation had shifted and the timing of my post made me look butthurt

A lot of times I get away with discussing things I have no business discussing because I discuss things a lot.

I blame college.

I have a huge list of albums & artists I need to purchase/ download to flesh out my library. In high school I got in the bad habit of downloading iTunes singles rather than entire albums, and now there's like 250 albums I want to get the remaining songs from.

It is expected that a track produced by pharrell will be lighthearted and/ or upbeat. Clipse made them work as did snoop dog jay z and several others.

Kendrick ruined this imo

KEYS OPEN DOORS,
KEYS, KEYS OPEN DOORS

I fell in love with Clipse when Malice said "On days I wasn't Abel, there was always Cain(e)."

Dope party Muzak

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