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what do you feel about the apochryphal gospels?

do you dismiss them since they werent canonised? ignorant of them? like them too?

let me in your brain

1. The authorized king James bible is the legit word of God
2. God inspired men to write it...he wrote it thru them.
3. You could read it all day amd everyday for your whole life and still not scratch the surface. It is alive.
4. Thr apocryphal books which I have read are watered down amd contradictory. They are obv not inspired.
5. The book of enoch is legit outside info as it is referenced in the Bible a few tines and is fascinating.


Warning: if you try and turn this into a spirit troll I will damage you.


Proceed.

hmm. what are your thoughts on constantine? when I get off work ill be able to engage more

If the book of Enoch is legit why are so many Christians upset with the watchers being in the new film Noah?

Because Noah was a homosexual and he brought his boy toy on that boat instead of a bitch.

Lol

Lol at King James Bible being the word of god

U that special king of "stupid smart"

With a dash of inbred white ignorance


I bet u got fucked by the priest who gave you ur conformation

waiting on you uh-oh.

Rep hush for that flash of brilliance

aight

what are your thoughts on constantine, the man/saint, do you feel he deserves his status as a saint, and or do you know much about him?

also how do you feel about the translations, do you think the king james bible would be better if it was translated direct from the aramaic it was originally written in, since we understand that language as well as they did when they translated it to greek? im pretty sure the king james bible of today went through something like, original texts-greek-latin-german-then english, maybe even more.

let me get to what you replied tho

ok, you say that the apocryhal or however you spell it, gospels are watered down, yet, we have them in there original texts. you claim the king james bible is perfect, but would it not be more watered down since it has gone through numerous translations, where as the apocryphal gospels are still original?

Da god droppin knowledge

Uh oh....make that last paragraph make sense then get back to me.


If I have a thousand year old document in mint condition versus a thousand year old document that is all torn up and I have to decide which is legit I will go with the tore up one.

See if you can figure out why.

Also the knowledge of the present KING JAMES is available to anyone who has an open mind to see how it is preserved

I reccomend you actuallt study it before you play games trying to debase it however.

Where?

You discredit one text for being contradictory but don't see any of that in the bible at all?

word im not trying to debase it, just opening a discussion

what i was saying with my final paragraph is, wouldnt a gospel, written in the language it originated, be less watered down, than a gospel that has been translated 5 times from its original language?

but yo, did you know that scholars of the day thought the greek translation itself was an abomination and the most sacriligeous shit ever? back in whatever BC

one of the things changed for example, is mary being a virgin. she was actually a "maiden" which only meant young woman, they had a word for virgin, and would have used it if thats what they intended.

that is just one of an insane amount of things lost in translation

and think about this

that was lost from the FIRST translation. from aramaic to greek.

what was lost/changed when it went from greek to latin? what about latin to german? and so on.

another interesting tidbit. in the original texts, they don't number the "wise men" they basically say "some" wise men show up with gifts, and they arent "wise men" they are maegi

which i take to mean wizards.

thats just my personal belief however.

1. By what authority do you speak on the maiden business

2. Even if, she gave birth to a man who said he was God and died and then rose from the dead.

3. If he did not rise from the dead...where is his body?

1. by the authority of being a person who heard a jewish scholar say so.

2. allegedly.

3. personally I don't believe he existed at all but if he did he is either long decomposed or his followers moved him. or he ascended to heaven duh

how do you feel about constantine?

how do you feel about warrior jesus on a white horse with a bloody sword?

how do you feel about young jesus who blinded a teacher who annoyed him and killed another boy for bumping him?

in Exodus 424 I think it is god is looking for moses to kill him. what do you think this passage is about?

1. most jews (minus the messianic) have been blinded. They are still looking for teh messiah to come.
2. where is his body?
3. think about it. all the jews and romans had to do to end the whole mess was produce a body....they didnt even try. The body was gone. Also over 500 bore witness of him after his death.

constantine: was a stupid movie
warrior Jesus: be afraid...be very afraid.
young Jesus: apocraphyal heresay. It matters not.
Exodus: Moses asked God to KILL HIM. Moses was depressed because he was trying to feed isreal instead of lead isreal.

V got people discussing Revolver and the bible in civilized fashion.

Repped.

surprised at your hard-and-fast stance!

while I def. agree there is more lie than truth in the 'add-ons', what truth can be found is pretty profound in terms of some of the more esoteric sides of his preaching, no?

Namix:

The Bible says that if there was to be talks of all the things Jesus did, the libraries of the world would not be able to contain it all. The point is, what we have in the Bible is more than enough. it is alive. It grows with you....or you grow into it more accurately.

there is a difference in knowledge and Gospel. and some of the knowledge in the apocrapha aint Gospel.

The Bible does mention a few add-ons, such as the Book of Enoch which is fascinating.

i hear you

whoever mentioned Constantine made me think of 'some' of the arbitrary nature of what was included/excluded in the 'official' version...

but along the lines of what you said re: the growth with you/etc., I do believe the truth echoes from within, so i never get hung up on the fact....

but hey, sometimes i think it takes a 'mary magdalene' gospel to bridge the gap to a greater path.

I definitely have an affinity for Thomas though to be honest -- but I get where there are concerns with how it could be interpretted.

but have you ever studyied the Bible?

If I had studied it in the past I would I have subjectively argued against truth of it under the guise of science.

Now I let the words, and relevance, come to me as they will... but no, I don't proactively study it in the way 'i think' you're referring to... but I have been 'tested' on it throughout 16 years of catholic education (which made me no more educated on what 'i think' we're getting at, or at least what I am.)

well you should.....it is every seeker of truth's eventuality to cross it's path.

it is the spirit of truth, of prophecy, of wisdom.

kjv.

are the men who chose what to keep in, and what to cut out, god?

all of it was the word of god, preached to the people of their time. it was all of the same religion.

they just decided to keep some stuff out.

wouldn't it be wise to take heed all of the words of god? is it a mans place to withhold some of his words from you?


let me ask you this, im pretty sure when a follower asks jesus who will take up his cause when he is gone, he names his brother james, not peter. yet christians/the church made peter the saint and the "first pope" to lend legitamacy to their tyranny

how do you view "the church"

in my opinion, "the church" is the only unique thing to christianity. everything else can be found through other religions.

And now, finally, your end game:

A trite and duplicitous attempt to espouse a tired and weak point.

Understand: those men had no power to do anything. GOD knew what he was doing and we have more than enough word. Trust that.

as for the church, the church you are describing is not THE CHURCH.

Now then:

I am glad you are intent on trying to poke holes in something you know little of. That is the start.

Now grab a kjv and study it. I mean really study it. See what happens.

That is if you care about truth. ..and not just parroting the agenda of the times.

Fair?

im trying to understand

i am letting you see things as i understand them. i am looking for you to say things as you understand them so i can compare our viewpoints.

my main problem is you say read the king james bible, but i find flaws in the fact that men decided what to put in that bible, and what to keep out, when none of it at the time, was more important than any of the rest

they just wanted an official version for all of the branches to follow in there far flung nations. alexandria practiced a slightly different form, than jerusalem, than rome, than byzantium, etc. i think it was constantine who made christianity legal, and had bibles made, which are the same bibles christians use today, with the old testament, and the new testament, with the gospels of the new testament that the council of nicaea CHOSE to include.

that is a flaw to me, i am asking how you personally overlook this, you must know something i don't, or there is a flaw in how i am taking in the info i am spewing

poke holes in it for me.

I personally enjoy the part of the bible that condones slavery and the beating of slaves, because you know they are your property. But don't beat then to hard they need to get back and work them fields in a reasonable amount of time. And there is no hint of mysogony at all.

it's sage advice, I got the leather-bound KJV this xmas...



How did you/do you prefer to read it --- literally front to back, or in an order your feeling?

the front to back approach loses me... i think i need to start with the N.T. next time, I don't make it by Genesis lol.

A sign for sure.

Proverbs psalms and ecclesiastes. Then the new testament. Then old testament.

Oh...read daniel b4 revelation.


Study.

solid order, good looks

will be easy to build momentum through proverbs and psalms --- probably no surprise, but i dig that shit most.....

counterintuitive perhaps,I'll also appreciate the old testament more after recognizing the fulfillment come to pass lol.



What is your position on numerology in general, and as it pertains to the Bible?

word.

basic Biblical numerology:

1 God
2 Division/union
3 divine confirmation
4 the system of the world/nature
5 grace
6 man w/out God
7 spiritual perfection
8 renewal/atonement
9 finality/judgment

dude....howbout the part where it says after 7 years let them go? or about the criteria of what makes a slave? like owing a debt that they can't pay? perhaps the bible talks about indentured servants.....and you just can't see that?

the bible is against owning another man.

big difference.

agenda on bro.

If that's how you feel the need to justify fine.

But the bible is pro slavery. Even if it's only for 7 years. It refers to them as property. 7 seconds of slavery is 7 seconds to many.

The bible is homophobic. And it isn't exactly super kind to women either.


I'm not bashing religion, but the bible is by no means a "perfect" document.


It is written by man and is therefore flawed like man.



So agenda on bro

wrong.

Slavery is owning men.

Indentured servants are bondservants....workers. often treated better than the children of the house.

Isreal was enslaved.....Isreal did not enslave others.

GOD does not approve of Homosexuality.

you sure about women? you ever read the koran? I have....you probably aint read the koran....probably aint read the bible either...

yes you are bashing religion. because you mistake Christianity for a religion. it is not. The Bible is a perfect document. as perfect as a document that exists on this terrible planet.

The Bible was written by God. if you would study it, you would see that.

the agenda is yours sir. You speak as every child of this current world system....i on the other hand stand against the tide.

I hurd of it, its awesomE

Sup erica?